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33 minutes ago, JSkorna said:
Is that a default FS9 screen shot?
What airport is that?
Here is a list of hand crafted airports in FS2020:
https://flight.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_(2020)/List_of_hand-crafted_airports
There's plenty more from third parties, such as Orbx and Drzewiecki Design, and lots of freeware available at the Flightsim.to site. And as the AI scenery generation and photogrammetry data gets better, the included airports that aren't hand crafted will get better too.
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5 hours ago, PhrogPhlyer said:
My apologies loki for attempting to assist someone with a question.
I doubt that this is the first, nor the last, discussion that takes a few winding roads along the way.
And whether hardware will work with the new version is quite appropriate to this discussion, which of course we don't know since we're still in the announcement mode for 2024.
No need to apologize for trying to help. And nothing wrong with a discussion winding around a bit, however, these forums do have multiple topics/threads for good reason. Burying everything in one gigantic topic makes it harder for anyone to participate and/or find answers. Taking that question, assuming Cas141 is really interested in pursuing it, and possible solutions to a different topic would make it easier for anyone else with the same question or issues to find answers, alongside keeping this thread more directly about the upcoming sim.
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How about we get this discussion back to the topic of the upcoming sim? The discussion of what peripherals do and don't (yes, there are some old peripherals that don't work, or don't work well on modern operating systems) work on Windows 10 and/or 11 can be taken elsewhere.
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21 hours ago, Cas141 said:
For me, the new sims require so much new gear, joystick, tracker, old peripherals etc, it just ain’t worth the hassle.
I've been using the same CH Combatstick with MSFS2020 that I bought 20 years ago. Depending on what your hardware is, it may well work with little or no trouble.
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Oh, and let's try not to turn this into a my sim better than your sim debate. I'm pretty sure everyone knows how those end...
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The first point to keep in mind is that we really don't know much about the new sim, so trying to compare it to any other sim is going to be a bit of a guessing game.
As far as available aircraft, yes, FS2004 and FSX have more aircraft available, however, the MSFS2020 library is quickly growing. This includes everything from vintage aircraft to modern day and fantasy ones. On the scenery side, sure, FS2004 and FSX can be made to look pretty good, and accurate, with the right add-ons, whereas, MSFS2020 (and likely MSFS2024) looks great out of the box, so to speak, for more of the world without having to find and download any add-ons. And for the areas that aren't as accurate by default, there are plenty of add-ons to fill in the gaps.
When it comes to hardware, as with any new sim, you will need a decent computer to run the new sim. You don't need to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars/euros/seashells/ whatever your currency is though (unless you really do want to max everything out when running multiple 4k monitors). You can also go with an Xbox console for considerably less than a PC, though you will likely need to buy new peripherals, such as a joystick.
At the end of the day, it is up to you whether it's worth your time and money.
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53 minutes ago, plainsman said:
MSFS has always been a driver for more robust hardware.
The MSFS series has certainly been a big driver for new hardware in the past, however, I'm not sure it is nearly as big any more. At least not in the same way. Much of the difference between MSFS and other sims, or games in general, is around new technologies such as the AI used to generate the scenery, streaming photogrammetry etc. For the latest and greatest graphics, the Unreal engine, and others, are more relevant to more people these days.
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58 minutes ago, tiger1962 said:
An astute observation Loki - the question is: When is the next generation Xbox console due? I think we can expect Xbox Studios to match the next generation of this sim's performance to the next generation of their console's capabilities.
One point that has come out of Microsoft's push to buy Activision is that they aren't looking to release a new console until 2028.
https://dotesports.com/general/news/when-will-the-next-xbox-be-released
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While each new sim has always pushed the envelope when it comes to hardware, MSFS2020 did run pretty well at release on mid-range systems without too much of an impact on graphics etc. Unlike FSX which barely ran on anything lower than the high end requirements without reducing settings to the bare minimum (granted it got caught out by the move to multi-core CPUS, and wasn't the only one). The need to have it run on Xbox consoles will mean they have to optimize it well.
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Microsoft gives a couple more tidbits in the interview linked below. Sounds like a new version of the current sim with the new features, similar to going from FS2002 to FS2004 to FSX.
Seems like they're portraying the 10 year commitment as being about the franchise, not just the current MSFS2020. If virtually all add-ons will be supported in the new sim, the transition shouldn't be too bad. On the other hand, there is the questions as to how long they support MSFS2020 and it's connections to the servers.
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6 hours ago, mrzippy said:
Yeah, so far over 25 pages of hysterical nonsense!
So, a normal day?
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They have put up a FAQ with a couple answers.
QuoteWill Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 be a completely standalone sequel, or will it also be offered as a paid update for existing players?
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is a standalone simulator and the next-generation sequel to Microsoft Flight Simulator that launched in 2020. Current aircraft and airports that are in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020), as well as virtually all Marketplace add-ons, will be supported in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.
QuoteWill all purchases users have made from the Marketplace be transferrable to the new simulator?
With very few exceptions, virtually all add-ons that work in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) today will function in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. Add-ons that were purchased from the in-simulator Marketplace will not need to be re-purchased in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.
https://www.flightsimulator.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-faq/
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1 hour ago, jgf said:
Dealbreakers for many.
At this rate MSFS2025 will require a pair of diplexed nitrogen cooled Crays in the basement with a solid fiber optic connection to the nearest downlink. Buying your own aircraft and learning to fly will be cheaper.
While I agree that the online requirements are an issue for some, I disagree on the hardware side. One could certainly go out and buy the fastest, most powerful hardware around to run the sim, but it is not needed to have a good experience.
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Unfortunately it looks like Microsoft has dropped the $1 trial offer for their PC Game Pass that would have let you easily try out MSFS for cheap. You can still sign up for one month of the PC Game Pass, but's ~$10/month, depending on your country. Could sign up for a month, cancel and buy the sim if you like it.
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No, that doesn't make Steam malware. By definition malware is software that is doing something malicious to the user's computer, often including hiding what it does. Simply having admin access does not make a piece of software malware. Steam became popular because it offered a good balance between the convenience of buying, installing and updating games for users with fairly un-intrusive DRM to protect against the many software pirates out. Moving saved game files doesn't count as malware as the user did give permission to update the games (whether they understood that is a different topic). If you don't want it to automatically update your games, then disable it. You also don't need to keep it running if you don't want.
On the other hand, I think you have a rose coloured glasses view of buying software on CDs and DVDs. Far too many of those had DRM schemes that did actually interfere with the user's computer and did qualify as malware, breaking things like DVD burning software or outright installing rootkits without telling the user at all. Remove any of this DRM, and the game would fail to run no different than removing Steam would (and sometimes it couldn't be easily removed at all once installed). And, yes, some developers still go too far with tying their games to online DRM, but that is the fault of the developer, not Steam itself.
If you don't want to buy from Steam, most games are available in multiple online storefronts these days. MSFS itself can be bought through the MS Store or Steam, and most other games can be bought through one or more of Steam, Epic Games, GOG, Ubisoft or EA's online stores.
As for Google search, it became the most popular search engine because it was the best one around, and arguably still is.
Edit: There are also a number of games on Steam that don't require any DRM to run.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
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1 hour ago, snave said:
The scale of the pilots in the second image is unrealistic. Assuming MSFS, what is being done to correct this? How long to wait, this time? This has become a plethor of small, uncorrected issues. When do the developers plan to correct these myriad mistakes?
Which developers are you referring to? Any issues should be directed to whomever developed the Connie in question.
And again, this topic is about comparing the photos, not getting into another debate about what's wrong with the sim, or which sim is better etc.
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Let's stick to comparing the two photos shall we?
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The MSFS flight modelling has had some pretty big upgrades since launch, including the addition of a CFD model and new propeller modelling.
And a list of coming aircraft that support the new flight modelling.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-propeller-cfd-soft-body-simulation-aircraft-list/504719
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10 hours ago, jorgen.s.andersen said:
I do not know where MSFS stands today on the topics of AI traffic and military aircraft, since I only had it on my system for about 30 minutes when it first came out.
But these are areas where P3D shines - or at least can be made to shine.
Jorgen
Check the link I shared above for an idea of what aircraft are in the pipeline for MSFS, including military ones.
Blackbird (formerly MilViz) has a Corsair out, with more coming.
https://blackbirdsims.com/flight/product_listing.php
At least one developer is working on bringing military AI to MSFS.
https://militaryaiworks.com/briefing-room/preview-of-our-first-msfs-package
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6 hours ago, BillD22 said:
The main current downside in MSFS2020 in my view is the lack of legacy jet airliners like the early Boeing and Douglas 707s, 727s DC8s, and 9s, etc., and no apparent interest by current devs in bringing them in.
One dev announced work on a 727.
https://www.thresholdx.net/news/swsfsr
PMDG brought over their DC-6.
https://pmdg.com/pmdg-dc-6-for-msfs/
Aero Dynamics is working on a DC-10.
https://fselite.net/content/aero-dynamics-dc-10-kc-10-for-msfs-progress-update/
And there are others coming. Being essentially a new sim, it will take time for devs to bring more aircraft to MSFS.
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On 4/29/2023 at 4:41 PM, jgf said:
If people are still using that program, yes. People keep websites going for years, even though they've only a fraction of the active members they once had, surely a business can support a server to let those who paid for their software continue to use it. Micro$oft no longer supporting W95 or XP or Win7 doesn't mean you cannot install and use those OS, but taking down the AS servers means those of us who paid for that software (which still "works", just has no data source now) are SOL. It also means I would not purchase from them again, how long before they take down the current servers.
There can be a pretty big difference between a relatively simple website hosted by the likes of GoDaddy and a custom server running something like Active Sky. Keep paying GoDaddy, or whoever the hosting company is, and they will keep the web servers up and running, allowing your website to stay up for years with little effort on your part. When it comes to something like Active Sky, however, a big part of the server maintenance and support falls on the developer directly, and is not always trivial. Fail to keep up with security patches and you will soon find your server taken over by anyone from script kiddies to crypto mining to ransomware gangs. Making sure those upgrades and security patches don't break your software takes time and the more software you need to test against, the more effort it takes. This might be a rounding error for a company the size of Microsoft, but for smaller outfits such as HiFi Simulations, it can quickly become a big drag on resources, taking resources away from other products.
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22 hours ago, Old School Air Force said:
I have an issue with MSFS 2020 Marketplace. I work at a US military installation in Europe, however, the only APO's the credit card application recognizes are Africa, America, and Pacific - no Europe. So I can't register my credit card to make any purchases offered in the Marketplace.
Is there another source for add-ons I can use outside of the Marketplace and can easily be added to MSFS 2020 ?
Many developers offer their add-ons for sale elsewhere, including their own sites as well as other online storefronts such as here at the Flightsim.com Store, Orbx, Simmarket and Aerosoft. Start with the developer's website and go from there.
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Yes, if you're looking for aircraft and scenery add-ons etc., then the built-in Marketplace is the only option for Xbox users. Note that prices are largely set by the add-on developers, not Microsoft.
Market Place
in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 General Discussion
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Do the issues described in the article below match your problem?
https://flightsimulator.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016366680-How-to-get-rid-of-the-error-messages-Purchase-pending-and-Purchase-failed-on-a-Windows-10-11-device