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Hi all,

I tried to post this in the hardware and technical sections but wasn't allowed for some reason. They were greyed out.

 

Anyway, I'm not super techy, (that's an understatement).

 

My son is training to be a pilot (IRL).

 

I've got dragged in to getting him a flight simulator setup as a combo of multiple xmas and birthday gifts...

 

I was looking to get a VR unit, decent PC, yoke, throttle, rudders (maybe a combined airbus controller too).

 

What I really wanted was a supplier who could do that AND would also come out to the house and set it all u properly.

 

Anyone know of someone who does that kind of service?

 

Even a PC supplier that might come out ad do it all?

 

Are there niche flight sim providers like this?

 

The usual pc builders won't they just ship, the providers of the flight control equipment as far as I can see also, won't, they just ship.

 

I get that i can just source this stuff and get my son to build it all, but i sort of wanted it to be done and a surprise i suppose, if possible. 

 

So, anyone got any ideas or can point me in the right place.

 

OR, am I really overthinking all this and it's actually a lot easier to do and setup than i am imagining?

 

Thanks in advance for any tips or help.

 

Merry Xmas btw !!

 

 

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How "techie" is your pilot in training? It is relatively simple to unbox and set up a PC and flight sim hardware. I submit that if I can do it? Anybody can. And knowing someone was willing to drop $4-$5K on MY present would fer darn sure motivate me to get it done right or find a buddy who could -lol I'll assume you realize that VR requires a higher level PC machine to run well. Best wishes for his journey to PIC. 

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You may want to look at xbox. That has a good price and in combination with Quest2 vr may be in your budget. 
On yokes etc there is a lot of choice but honeycom or the cheaper logitech may be in your budget.

If money is no issue, let a specialist pc shop assemble a desktop case around a AMD7800x3d + Nvidia4080 or 4090. 
But that will be 2.5k excl Quest3/monitor etc. Have the assembler test it. These are sensitive components so static protection and correct sequence is important.

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I purchased a system from Jetline Systems (jetlinesystems.com) a few years ago and am very pleased with it. They specialize in flightsim computers, have several levels to choose from and assemble then test each rig before shipping. 

 

-Randy

 

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All you need other than a good computer like i7 10900K and RTX 3080, MSFS, ......  is a joystick like CH F16 and rudder peddles

You can add programs to MSFS to make it more realistic.

Extra hardware is a waste of money.

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Seems like little has changed compared to even fifteen Years ago, when some were considering rigs with water cooling in order to run FSX without stutters... 

 

Oh, those were the days; ACES thinking one way, the rest of the Industry another.

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1 hour ago, ViperPilot2 said:

Seems like little has changed compared to even fifteen Years ago, when some were considering rigs with water cooling in order to run FSX without stutters... 

 

Oh, those were the days; ACES thinking one way, the rest of the Industry another.

 

Unlike with FSX, it is very possible to get good performance with MSFS without having to buy the best of the best and then overclock it. Though if you want to max out every setting with multiple 4k monitors and still hit 60+ FPS then, yes, you will need the best system money can buy.

 

ACES went the way they did because that's where Intel, and others, said they were going when FSX development started. Those plans didn't work out so Intel and AMD changed course too late in the development cycle for FSX and many games (Crysis was affected by this too, for example) to change course. And then ACES was unceremoniously dropped before they could fully adjust course with the next sim version they were worked on.

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35 minutes ago, loki said:

 

Unlike with FSX, it is very possible to get good performance with MSFS without having to buy the best of the best and then overclock it. Though if you want to max out every setting with multiple 4k monitors and still hit 60+ FPS then, yes, you will need the best system money can buy.

 

ACES went the way they did because that's where Intel, and others, said they were going when FSX development started. Those plans didn't work out so Intel and AMD changed course too late in the development cycle for FSX and many games (Crysis was affected by this too, for example) to change course. And then ACES was unceremoniously dropped before they could fully adjust course with the next sim version they were worked on.

 

I look back at those days with a little nostalgia; nary a day went by without some conversation in the Forums about Overclocking, Excess Heat, and slow Framerates...

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Lol, I always felt overclocking was for status, not performance. 

 

Twenty years ago Mercedes briefly resurrected the supercharger.  They tacked one onto their small four banger, put it in a sporty model, and charged exorbitantly for it.  It ran rough at low speeds, required excessive maintenance, and had less power then the standard V8 that came in that car ....but you got a little chrome "K" appended to the model number on the front fender. 

Overclocking was the same thing.  You took a small cpu, overclocked it, and got a marginally stable system that ran hot, constantly needed tweaking, and you hoped to replace it before the cpu was cooked.  But your system was "supercharged".  Better to start with a faster cpu and save yourself the time and trouble.

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23 minutes ago, jgf said:

Lol, I always felt overclocking was for status, not performance. 

 

Twenty years ago Mercedes briefly resurrected the supercharger.  They tacked one onto their small four banger, put it in a sporty model, and charged exorbitantly for it.  It ran rough at low speeds, required excessive maintenance, and had less power then the standard V8 that came in that car ....but you got a little chrome "K" appended to the model number on the front fender. 

Overclocking was the same thing.  You took a small cpu, overclocked it, and got a marginally stable system that ran hot, constantly needed tweaking, and you hoped to replace it before the cpu was cooked.  But your system was "supercharged".  Better to start with a faster cpu and save yourself the time and trouble.

 

I remember that seemed to be the goal back then. 30 fps was the bees' knees. Heck, I get 11-15 fps with FS9 on this old Laptop and it's fine with me.

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4 hours ago, ViperPilot2 said:

I remember that seemed to be the goal back then. 30 fps was the bees' knees. Heck, I get 11-15 fps with FS9 on this old Laptop and it's fine with me.

 

Well said ViperPilot2 - fps is the bees knees in shooter games, but absolutely not in flight sim.  

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I have FS2004 capped at 25fps, it maintains that 90% of the time ....til I get around Heathrow, LAX, or similar, when 15fps becomes the norm.  But movies, on film not digital IMAX stuff, were filmed and shown at 24fps and we never complained about that.

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9 hours ago, jgf said:

I have FS2004 capped at 25fps, it maintains that 90% of the time ....til I get around Heathrow, LAX, or similar, when 15fps becomes the norm.  But movies, on film not digital IMAX stuff, were filmed and shown at 24fps and we never complained about that.

 

It's why I've never invested in Payware Scenery, or spent more than $15.00 on a Payware Airplane. All of the horror stories! Resource vampires!

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In my case it's the AI around those airports.  But if you want a resource hog, try the old Blue Sky scenery (freeware) for the Grand Canyon area;  so detailed my old system couldn't load it quickly enough to even keep up with a Piper Cub flying over it (hard to find now, apparently Blue Sky pulled it when they released the FSX version).

 

 

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Hello Everyone,

 

I am returning to flightsimming after a nearly 10 year hiatus. Seems I may forego purchasing MSFS 2020 in anticipation of MSFS 2024 being released this year. I am eyeing an Intel i7-14700 KF, 32 GB DDR5-5600, 12 GB GeForce RTX 4070 GDDR6X, 2 TB SSD rig at Microcenter. I know we don’t yet have the ideal specs for ‘24, but given the recommended specs shared thus far and ideal specs known for MSFS ‘20, may I assume this rig will be fine to run ‘24 smoothly? I would also add an ultra widescreen monitor and a second, smaller flatscreen but probably would not necessarily be tied to running the ultra wide in 4K.

 

Any thoughts would be much appreciated. 
 

Thanks, 

 

Darrin

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