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    Default Dumb guy question about all these updates and Hotfixes

    Caveat, I am NOT a games programmer ner nuthin’, but is it REALLY that difficult/impossible a programming task for Asobo or Microsoft to have this doggone sim simply update itself with each frequent new iteration and Hotfix, rather than making millions of customers jump through these various silly hoops just to fly a make-believe airplane? There’s just GOTTA be a smarter way to update this software automatically?

    I mean really, it sure seems like Windows 10 somehow manages to update itself each time without needing MY input.
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    Theoretically, yes, it is possible to come up with something better, and I really doubt Asobo thought this was the ideal solution. I suspect there are some technical limitations somewhere in the chain (MS Store, Xbox app, Steam, streaming scenery and/or being built for PC and Xbox in combination with everything else). Most likely there's some functionality missing in the MS Store and/or limitation in the UWP application model that is causing issues. I'm not sure there are many other UWP games in the MS Store that need to support both a built-in marketplace, as well as external third party add-ons, for example.

    On the other hand, the Windows update process has been around since Windows XP and has to be solid, or MS's enterprise customers would be very unhappy.

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    Here is another dumb question: Since I have not bought this new Sim yet, if I bought it today, would I get the base Sim from Aug. 2020 and will it need to go through all of these World updates and hotfixes before it's ready to fly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrzippy View Post
    Here is another dumb question: Since I have not bought this new Sim yet, if I bought it today, would I get the base Sim from Aug. 2020 and will it need to go through all of these World updates and hotfixes before it's ready to fly?
    I think you'll get the current version (1.19.9.0 right now) which includes all sim updates and hotfixes, but NOT the World Updates so you'll still need to download those in the Content Manager.
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    Like I admitted, I am not even a knowledgable newcomer to programming, I know next to nothing about the process - lol

    My question comes from all the various times recently I have been notified that there was an update to various different apps on my Desktop and all I've ever had to do was mouse click the "Update now" button, things happened, and the new version was up and running.

    Seems like "the hurried-er we go, the behind-er we get."-lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger1962 View Post
    I think you'll get the current version (1.19.9.0 right now) which includes all sim updates and hotfixes, but NOT the World Updates so you'll still need to download those in the Content Manager.
    Thanks for the info, Tim! You da man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagorandy View Post
    Like I admitted, I am not even a knowledgable newcomer to programming, I know next to nothing about the process - lol

    My question comes from all the various times recently I have been notified that there was an update to various different apps on my Desktop and all I've ever had to do was mouse click the "Update now" button, things happened, and the new version was up and running.

    Seems like "the hurried-er we go, the behind-er we get."-lol
    You can set the MS Store to automatically update applications it directly manages, such as the Xbox app, Xbox Gaming Services and core MSFS app. Combining this with leaving my PC on most of the time, I don't usually need to explicitly look for updates for any of these, and just need to run through the package updates MSFS does when it launches and then the Content Manager updates.

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    For anyone having trouble with Microsoft Store not updating apps, you can reset it in three different ways by following this guide: https://winaero.com/reset-windows-store-windows-10/
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    @chicagorandy - Nope, you are absolutely correct. How MS/Asobo does updates is totally wrong and very confusing for many.

    There are updates in three different locations that users need to keep up with. It should be only a single location. We sometimes have to update the loader in Steam or the Microsoft store (depending on how you bought the sim), there are updates in the “Checking For Updates” screen, and then you have to check for updates in the Content Manager. Oh, and don’t forget to boot the sim with nothing in your community folder, exit, put it all back, and then fire it up again with your fingers crossed your add-ons work properly. That can at least now be done synthetically after a sim crash - maybe. That menu seems to have just been turned off for now due to all the complaints about it asking after a normal shutdown.

    We lose a lot of pilots because even after all this time in the software business, Microsoft still has their heads collectively wedged. People rage quit FS2020 and it’s entirely understandable in many cases. There are too many problems with the process and not enough information. The sim relies on an internet connection but they don’t tell you when their servers are having issues which seems to be fairly frequently. All you can do is check the boards to see if others are seeing issues or post yourself if nobody else has posted.

    The sim is amazing and my favorite thing to do, but way too often I get grounded because some issue has to be sorted. It is frustrating and the process would be described as amateur at best. It’s been released for over a year but it may be the buggiest software MS has ever put out and that’s saying a lot. It’s really better described as “early access” since it still doesn’t have all the advertised features and still has so many bugs. But other than all that, great sim.

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    Pardon the reply, if I'm off base, but I am an unfortunate cynic and suspect the situation is expected on Microsoft's part. From my readings in other sites and journals, this iteration of Flight Simulator is not really intended for gaming or individual customers. Rather the eventual intent is a first class desktop/ laptop flight simulator program for private and commercial pilots that will greatly reduce the need for high level "simulator time" at Redbird or one of the other pilot training schools. The cost savings for airlines and private pilots will be enormous. The genius in this is, "How do you develop this in a beta format, test it, iron out all the bugs over a few years, at a much reduced cost?" Answer: the ready-made flight sim community which has been clamoring for a new sim for years. I think it a stroke of developer genius to beta test software and have the testers pay for the privilege, reducing overall developer costs. I suspect all these issues with MSFS 2020 will be resolved eventually as the final product for the aviation community takes form. When the sim is online for commercial and general aviation, expect a high class, efficient flight simulator that will be so good, it is FAA approved for training. (There will always be glitches 'cause it's Microsoft, after all.) When this is finalized expect a great experience and a HUGE increase in the cost. Thanks, sim community, for paying us to get this going!
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