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    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    When you initially file a flight plan, you must be prepared to do the navigation for the flight you've planned. When ATC has any variations or want you to do something specific, they give you instructions. But once they no longer need you to follow their restrictions/variations/whatever, they then want you to go back to doing your own navigation according to the flight plan and any clearances you've received, thus "Resume own navigation" meaning they're not telling you where to go any more -- it's up to you.


    Not at all -- it's used a lot in the real world of aviation.


    They have released you to now do your own navigation according to the flight plan you've filed -- they're just not going to "hold your hand" any more at this time.


    Is that part of the flight plan you filed? If not, then you'd have to cancel IFR then choose what you want to do.

    Don't over complicate this. This directive is normally given only after you've been given directions (heading/altitudes/speeds/whatever) for some ATC purpose and their purpose has now been achieved (probably keeping some traffic separated) and so you go back to navigating by yourself according to the flight plan. You're still obligated to follow whatever clearances you've been issued, whether it was "cleared as filed" or "cleared direct to ...whatever... " or such, but without step-by-step from ATC.

    Hope this clears it up for you.
    While I agree with this notorious "answer two", material on the web (for USA) actually says different:

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    Lemme see if adding the image worked...and here is the link to the Glossary:

    https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...cg_4-03-14.pdf

    This looks useful as well:

    https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...tml/index.html

    https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...ml/chap_4.html

    Sean
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    Notorious? You make it sound criminal.

    Certainly what you show in the picture is correct, and will normally be where you will hear that, but on those (perhaps rare) occasions when they give you other directions (especially in FS) AND fail to end it with "as filed" (if IFR), then they'll use that or "proceed on course," which I've never heard from the FS version of ATC. There ARE occasions in the real world when ATC will say something that's not "pre-programmed" by the book, though they normally mostly stick to the book for standardization and to avoid misunderstandings.

    But the main point was not to repeat the FAA's statement, but to try to help the OP to understand its use, and that its use is not "a bit out of character."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    Notorious? You make it sound criminal.

    Certainly what you show in the picture is correct, and will normally be where you will hear that, but on those (perhaps rare) occasions when they give you other directions (especially in FS) AND fail to end it with "as filed" (if IFR), then they'll use that or "proceed on course," which I've never heard from the FS version of ATC. There ARE occasions in the real world when ATC will say something that's not "pre-programmed" by the book, though they normally mostly stick to the book for standardization and to avoid misunderstandings.

    But the main point was not to repeat the FAA's statement, but to try to help the OP to understand its use, and that its use is not "a bit out of character."
    Well, at least he didn't accuse you of having a brain tumor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrzippy View Post
    Well, at least he didn't accuse you of having a brain tumor!
    No, not tumor, just onemore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrzippy View Post
    Well, at least he didn't accuse you of having a brain tumor!
    I didn't accuse, the question mark turned it into a question.
    'Glichy' controls or switches and don't want to pay for new ones? Read on... You can bring a controller back to life by exercising it through it's full range of motion or from maximum to minimum and back again 50 times. I had a Logitech joystick that gave left rudder without touching it but turning it 50X fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    Notorious? You make it sound criminal.
    You mean like in a sexy courthouse drama kind of way?

    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    Notorious? You make it sound criminal.

    Certainly what you show in the picture is correct, and will normally be where you will hear that, but on those (perhaps rare) occasions when they give you other directions (especially in FS) AND fail to end it with "as filed" (if IFR), then they'll use that or "proceed on course," which I've never heard from the FS version of ATC. There ARE occasions in the real world when ATC will say something that's not "pre-programmed" by the book, though they normally mostly stick to the book for standardization and to avoid misunderstandings.

    But the main point was not to repeat the FAA's statement, but to try to help the OP to understand its use, and that its use is not "a bit out of character."
    My main mistake was not realizing this was "real world aviation", which I have no authority to speak about. OTOH, if OP is IFR rated, why didn't he know the manual I found that in? From another country - that would be a good reason. Those manuals are long and tedious. There was a time during my "total realism" phase where I imagined myself hitting the books and trying to be Son of Bach, who knows ceconite and 10,000 other things about a/c and flying. Sadly, it never happened, but at least I had fun.

    For me, one subject of tremendous interest is to know the differences between what I fly, FS X SE and RL. But also for the other sims. I like the forum to be like a conversation, to be alive because the point of replies can change as the threads grow.

    Nobody likes to be called irrelevant, I'd be quick to point out that relevant questions often go unanswered here. Twitter is the same, I've learned not to ask questions there except for people I know who like me.

    The last IFR flight I did, KMHV to 99CL was to an uncontrolled field, and maybe when ATC was terminated, I was given the direction and distance to the airport along with the frequency. I can't remember if I was told to report airport in sight and then given frequency change approved, but it seems like an interesting enough proceedure that the 14 year old FS X might be doing "wrong".

    Here is an instructional video showing that even though I'm very out of practice, I'm still the "number one pilot":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0e0i9OiAzk
    'Glichy' controls or switches and don't want to pay for new ones? Read on... You can bring a controller back to life by exercising it through it's full range of motion or from maximum to minimum and back again 50 times. I had a Logitech joystick that gave left rudder without touching it but turning it 50X fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N33029 View Post
    I didn't accuse, the question mark turned it into a question.
    EXAMPLE: Stupid? I just turned it into a question. I would be more careful what I post while quoting the owner of this site!
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    While I agree with this notorious "answer two", material on the web (for USA) actually says different:
    And where is the question mark in the above quote?

    OTOH, if OP is IFR rated, why didn't he know the manual I found that in?
    Perhaps because I didn't actually go look it up in a manual? Sure I've read that manual, and many more. And from real world experience I know that the phrase "Resume own navigation" isn't completely limited to ending radar vectors, though the other uses are relatively rare.

    But more importantly, I'll quote what I said above:

    But the main point was not to repeat the FAA's statement, but to try to help the OP to understand its use, and that its use is not "a bit out of character."

    Larry N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    And where is the question mark in the above quote?


    Perhaps because I didn't actually go look it up in a manual? Sure I've read that manual, and many more. And from real world experience I know that the phrase "Resume own navigation" isn't completely limited to ending radar vectors, though the other uses are relatively rare.

    But more importantly, I'll quote what I said above:

    But the main point was not to repeat the FAA's statement, but to try to help the OP to understand its use, and that its use is not "a bit out of character."
    I deal with that statement throughout the UK and in this most complex aerospace it is often use when negotiating a path through airways. It is therefore very much `in character` in my part of the world, save for during the recent pandemic!

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    +1 Larry!

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