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If you consider getting the Steam version, wait for a sale. You can save yourself 75% and perhaps get a few add-ons on sale at the same time. See this page for information https://steamdb.info/app/314160/ Not sure when the next official sale is, but they come around three or four times a year and sometimes randomly for a few days. If you can't wait, there is no problem with running the disk version in Windows 10, I've installed it a few times. Make sure you install in a custom location as others said, like C:/FSX. And while this is probably not necessary, I always right click on DVD install files (executable) and run as administrator. Some say you should disable anti-virus just for the install process, but I never found it necessary with default Windows Defender, or whatever it is called now.

Do we still need ORBX London after this UK update?

I've had exactly the same thing with both FSX and DCS World and it turned out to be the anti-virus programs. I use Windows 10 default security (Defender?) as well as Malwarebytes. All stuttering disappeared as soon as I entered exclusions for the folders where the games are located

Hopefully it is only the joysticks which are picked up and configured automatically by MSFS. My CH Products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle were recognised, but not auto-configured. So I had to allocate axes and buttons myself, hopefully all of those would have been left alone by the update and still the same as I had them?

I would recommend Steam. While there are one or two small drawbacks, the benefits are: 1. Installation is a breeze. Instead of having to load DVD after DVD and entering a serial key or phoning Microsoft if there is a problem, you just hit install and a few minutes later you're ready to go, depending on your internet speed of course. Any updates (not that there are anymore) are done automatically. 2. Small improvements. They say that there have been a few tweaks made to FSX-SE to make it run better, but quite honestly I don't know what they are besides an updated SimConnect module. Many people swear that FSX-SE run better than FSX disc version, but I don't notice the difference. 3. Add-on price and installation: Steam (or Dovetail) run their own regular sales on Steam and I find that the prices are often way better than on the web-stores or developers' own websites. Plus if you buy an add-on on Steam, it is a one-click installation process, instead of the sometimes elaborate serial key or DRM protection of standalone versions. Drawbacks: 1. Steam installs FSX-SE in a deeper directory branch, instead of your own simple custom directory, which is possible with the disc version. That could make it harder to find files if you like to tinker with FSX, but a simple folder shortcut to the desktop has solved that problem for me. 2. Updated Simconnect module. While it may have some benefits, I believe this is the major culprit for compatibility problems with some older add-ons. However, I have over 200 add-ons for FSX and only 2 are not running in FSX-SE. Therefore, my success rate with add-ons on FSX-SE is 99%. It was actually the Steam version of FSX that rekindled my interest in civilian flight sims when it launched several years ago and through it I discovered the world of add-ons which in many cases transformed the ageing flight-sim.

Is FS2020 a work in progress? Yes very much so, but that seems to be the way all software companies are doing things nowadays. I for one am glad they released it early, because of all the hype and it saved me from wasting money on P3D v5. Also remember that the venerable FSX also had two or three significant updates in the year following release before it became the enduring legend. 6 months or 1 year away? I'd wager it will be a year before we have a smooth-running next-gen flight sim that will please 90% of the flight-sim community. There will always be 10% that will never be satisfied, no matter what. They will stick to X-Plane, P3D or perhaps even FS9. Too early for computer build? No, it is amazing how well MSFS runs on even modest hardware, by all the accounts I have seen so far. It seems your internet connection is more important. X plane 11 better? In my opinion, definitely not. I became an X-Plane convert when version 11 was released, but to me X-Plane now looks like the cartoon version of MSFS. I will keep X-Plane 11 simply because of the add-ons I have bought for it, but in future my money will be spent on MSFS.

We had FS98, FS2000, then FS2004, which we started calling FS9 instead, and then FSX. And now we have FS2020. Flight-simmers like to keep it short and simple, but also distinctive. It is an amazing product whatever we call it.

Great thanks for taking the time to reply Bob. I will probably end up buying it as the price is really low and I like these smaller aircraft. I suspect some of the negative ratings are coming from people who don't know how to load it into the sim or some other user error.

OMG I thought the plane was free as well, silly me! :rolleyes: Went to the MSFS marketplace and while the price is very good, I was quite concerned to see that the user rating for the plane is only 2 out of 5 stars (ie 40%) with 75 ratings. Wonder why other people are rating it so badly!?

Flyby view?

Also there is no indication on-screen about what rate you have speeded up to, so getting back to normal is really tricky. Some say; reduce to absolute slowest and then two times faster is back to normal, but to me it feels more like one time faster is back to normal (ie slowest is 0.5x and one faster is 1x)

I have CH Products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle and they work perfectly in FS2020. They are not recognised or configured automatically, but it is not hard to manually configure and set up. I can use all the axis and buttons, even the miniature joystick/thumbstick on the Pro Throttle for external view axis and it actually works better than using the 8-way hat switch.

Hey b3burner, hope you calmed down and figured out a few things in the mean-time. I share your frustration, but took a completely different approach, seeing that it is a new team with a strong European influence. I recalled whenever I drove European cars in the past like Citroen or even some older Mercedes models, everything felt different and out place, nothing was where I expected it to be. Doesn't mean those cars were bad, just different. Anyway, here is what I did: 1. Mapped the parking brake to a joystick button. Apart from the parking brake, all aircraft are pretty much still ready to go. But yeah it will be super weird in real life to line up on a runway ready for take-off and then put the parking brake on, right!? 2. There is no way around that one. Fortunately I have a CH Products Pro Throttle, with a miniature joystick/thumbstick, which I mapped to the X and Y axis of the external view. So for me, this is actually an improvement as I can can now control the speed and smoothness of the external view panning and although I miss the familiarity of the hat-switch panning, I kinda like this new way. As I said, we're dealing here with something different and if you have the peripherals (and patience) it may even be an improvement. 3. Learning curve; try them out, experiment and you shall find something that works for you. I'm fairly happy with what I have now, but desperately miss a FLYBY view which is not there at all, WTF!? 5. Agree 100%. Why can't I simply delete and replace a keybind at the same time. It is convoluted. However, I found that some keys or joystick buttons can do multiple things, most of the time. There are some external views that can be mapped to the same key/button as an internal view, but others not. Again it is a leaning curve, but at least one can use the same joystick button for two or even three other things, which I don't think was possible with FSX/P3D (?). All in all I am very impressed with FS2020 and have no doubt that it will be improved and fixed in upcoming patches. I am therefore more than prepared to put up with the occasional stutters and convoluted viewing system for now, as the reward is a breathtaking sim. Have to add that I'm using my xbox gamepass subscription ($5/month) to "try out" the standard version, so I'm very relaxed about it. If I paid full price, I may have been a lot more unhappy.

Yeah I will keep FSX installed for nostalgia, but will probably now remove FS9 permanently. I have a ton of purchased add-ons for FSX/P3D and unless they can be freely or cheaply upgraded to FS2020, I might return to them occasionally, if only to see how it compares with FS2020.

Hi Dave, the way I did it was to create custom views for each aircraft by moving with the arrow keys and then saving with CTRL + ALT + number (I used number 1 for pilot and 2 for copilot). I then mapped those custom views to buttons on my joystick (you can also use ALT + number on your keyboard) and whenever I'm not happy with the default view or the raised positions, I just press my custom view button. It stays like that for most of the flight, but sometimes re-sets when you change to external views and back again, but it is a simple button press to get it back to where it was. The custom views are permanently saved to the individual aircraft, so every time you fly, they can be used.

Yes I was also originally flustered and disappointed by the new viewing system, but persevered and experimented and now have a viewing system (using my CH Products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle) that works well, albeit a little different to what I'm used to. The only view that's desperately lacking is a flyby, one of my favorites in other sims. But I have no doubt that Microsoft/Asobo will fix all these annoyances and omissions, remember FSX only really became a worthy product after the SP2 and Acceleration updates a year later. Fortunately I don't do pre-orders and release-day purchases and using my XBOX Gamepass subscription to try out the standard FS2020 version. So, for that price I'm more than happy to go on this journey. Having said that, I'm already considering to buy the Deluxe version the moment it goes on sale (probably in a year's time), to get hold of the steam-gauge C172 and Cape Town Intl airport. For me this is the flight-sim I've been waiting for and I'm more than prepared to suffer the few stutters (which will be fixed) and different viewing system, to enjoy the magical new world that has unfolded. Just last night, I took a trip from Maine to Boston in a King-Air and when I got to Boston, my jaw dropped. I've already flown a few of the other sceneries in FS2020 and was very impressed, but nothing could prepare me for the majesty of seeing Boston almost like real for the first time. It was near midnight and I've already had several days of marveling at FS2020, but I literally couldn't stop as I was just gawking at this beautiful city skyline from afar, harbours and miles of houses and factories almost like it would be in real life. I can never go back to FSX/P3D or even X-Plane (except for nostalgia) - it will be like watching a He-Man animation after seeing a Lord of the Rings movie.

Great dnpaul, good to hear you've seen some improvement. Even with my 50mbs fibre line, I also get a little stuttering when approaching a big city for example. I have a small program called Networx (free version 5.5.5) with a graph open on another monitor which shows all my network traffic and I can clearly see the direct link between data streaming picking up and the stutters. It is not bad in my case, only momentary fps drop to 10-20fps, before resuming at a steady 60fps where I've capped it in NVidia control panel. Hopefully in time, Microsoft/Asobo will smooth this out.

Your specs look fine, except for that DSL at 6mbps, as FS2020 relies on streaming of data. Any bottleneck there may cause stutters. But there could be other reasons. I would do the following: 1. Go into FS2020 data settings and set up a permanent cache (leave rolling cache as it is). Make the permanent cache something like 10 or 20GB if you have the space and then download an area you want to fly in, into the permanent cache. There are some videos on YouTube or google, if you don't know how to do it. 2. Install the very latest NVidia driver 452.06, as it is optimised for FS2020. 3. Make an exclusion for the FS2020 folder in your antivirus program (unless you changed it, the default directory is something bizarre like C:users/yourname/appdata/local/packages/Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe 4. If you use SPAD.NeXT, close it as it is known to interfere with FS2020 simconnect and cause stutters

Agreed, put it on Amazon. I live in a faraway country and need the reassurance of honest, independent user reviews/ratings and the backing of large reputable company. In response to earlier question, I typically buy one set of (good value-for-money) controls with as many functions on them as possible, for example the CH Products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle. Then I can handle any aircraft or simulator with multiple programmable buttons, switches and hats. The REPLIKA SIMULATION GEAR controls look fantastic and it will be great for handling a very specific aircraft, but I suspect they will be hellishly expensive and far less versatile than my CH Products HOTAS setup?