GhostTown

Thank you! This video says it all.

This is one of the best videos I have come across that shows the key differences when flying VR. He too had a cockpit build, and used trackIR before going full VR. If you post this video for all the naysayers to see then I will stop posting about VR because all I will have to do is reference this video.

Interesting point of view and a valid argument. However, I had a full physical panel with 10 working instruments (saitek FIPS) and that was exactly my concern pre VR...BUT now I prefer VR even with the hand controllers over a physical panel because I am learning how each plane actually operates...with my old physical panel it was one size fits all...didn't matter if I flew a cub, Cessna, Mooney or 737...same panel and yoke so not realistic.

So staring at monitors surrounded by your basement looks like real life to you? VR is the most realistic flight sim experience available unless you have a full wrap around view home built replica cockpit. By replica I mean you have the actual yoke, throttle body etc and instrumentation of the actual plane you are flying...not just some mashup. This is not debatable it is fact.

Just curious. Do VFR pilots only sim in VFR too or do they do IFR approaches? Can you navigate VORs or just GPS? Can you not read instruments to keep your plane level? Would you be able to capture a glide slope?

You're right...haters is too broad a stroke . I will say then don't listen to the clique who have not even tried VR on a good system on other sims that offer it such as aerofly, flyinside, and xplane.

It's the only way to fly. Don't let the haters dissuade you...once you go VR you never go back. You are basically sitting in the cockpit looking around. It is NOT anything like trackir so don't listen to these claims. Try it...it's so good that as good as MSFT 2020 looks, I have zero interest until they release a VR version.

Do yourself a favour and get a VR ready system and forget everything you thought you knew about simulation. Times have changed for the better :)

Hey ark park has VR! How's that for ironic?

Not if people keep replying...these threads will be back on top. https://uploadvr.com/ms-flight-sim-2020-vr-high-priority/ Sounds like VR version will be sooner rather than later. Better get that VR forum ready otherwise this forum will be buried in VR topics. Do you really think MSFT is going to be the only major flight simulator on the market without VR? Do you really think they don't want to showcase that scenery in VR? It would be wasted on monitors.

Dude I had dual projectors and it's not even close to the immersion of VR.

"“It honestly wasn’t our plan [to support VR], but we are listening, and we heard it, so we will try our darnedest to make it happen,” Neumann explains" https://www.roadtovr.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-dev-will-try-darnedest-make-vr-support-happen/ There is an army of VR enthusiasts and MS is trying to accommodate us. If they don't support VR they will be the only major platform in the flight sim market who doesn't. So the questions isn't if...it's when and how good will they make it.

The only thing that makes VR obsolete is a holodeck like in star trek or a real plane.

I can do a whole flight with one eye closed no problem...still looks amazing. Not sure what the difference is. Whatever it is it will be the same with everything not just VR. But if some people can't use VR I get that...but just because they can't use it doesn't take away from it. It's still the most realistic option out there even if they don't use it.

Sounds like you need VR more than I do :) Not sure about your specific case but VR works fine with one eye closed.

https://virtualspeech.com/blog/history-of-vr So let's get this straight...in your opinion, VR for some reason...even though it is in THE most competitive space (gaming) and is on the cusp of mass adoption with FB touting their own VR product...is suddenly, out of nowhere, going to stop evolving? You really want to stand by that statement? You really want your place in history with the guy who doubted the internet would catch on?

I posted this earlier when another member was asking.

Advantages here and now? Of course the headset fov will improve, as will the size I imagine, even though it is very comfortable as is. If everyone was like you nothing would ever improve because nobody would buy anything. Did people complain about the graphics in the commordore 64 FS? No...it was awesome at the time. We all knew that it was nothing like real life but we all played it. Now we have VR and you are quiblling over the fact that you have a tiny black border around the edge even though you can look around 360 degrees? Come on man...you know that is going to get fixed in upcoming versions. You all act like VR is going to stop evolving. As it is its better than any other options by FAR...in the coming years it will be the only option. PEOPLE we have gone from lines on screen to SITTING INSIDE A WORKING COCKPIT SURROUNDED BY PHOTO REALISTIC SCENERY!

This is why fb is ending production of the Oculus Go...they have a newer model. https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/18/oculus-surpasses-100-million-in-quest-content-sales/ I'm not sure how one could knock themselves out sitting in a simulator. This just tells me you have never tried VR, and you are only going by old FAIL youtube videos. If you have tried VR today, you would know that you set up a "guardian" play area by drawing in a play space up to 25'x25' that should you leave it will suddenly bring the room into view for you. Yes it's that cool, you can actually walk around in the game now. Here knock yourself out with this demonstration:

It's called a virtual tablet. I don't think many pilots break out the paper maps anymore...everything is on a tablet. VR is the same. You still have ears lol. Do you have keyboard assignments in a real plane? Why would I need keyboard assignments in VR when all the buttons on the airplane work? I never used keyboard assignments even with regular cockpit. Uh...you look to your left or right? Have you tried VR or what? I think you guys need to actually try VR before trying to argue against it...you are really lobbing me up softballs here. :cool:

So what about that VR forum? Also, can you just merge both accounts? Ghosttown is my old one I had on my phone...honestly I didn't even notice when it auto logged me in that it was a different account until I posted. I believe vbulletin has a merge feature to put all my posts/topics under one username. Can I use Vrdude instead?

What are you talking about? I'm just asking him to clarify because what he's saying doesn't make any sense. Have you tried VR?

I still don't get why you think that is a problem? That is the whole point of VR. I don't want to be flying around my basement...I want to be flying around Hawaii or wherever I'm at. Why would you need to see the room while you're flying around? Do you want to watch tv while you're flying? Have you tried VR?

Hey I was just as hyped about trackir when it came out...and I recall getting the same opposition back then. Every one can have an opinion, and they can choose to fly however they like. But facts are facts and the fact is VR is the closest and most affordable option for a realistic flying experience. And before anyone says about the dudes who build full on replicas in their garage...90% of the enjoyment with a homebuild is the build, not the flying. If you ask any homebuilder he spends more time "buying" and not "flying". AND with YAW VR you can have a full motion VR experience too without all the cost, time and maintenance. That's the best part about VR...you get back to flying.

What are you talking about???? Are you saying the problem with VR is you can't see around the room your sitting in while playing? The whole point is you are looking around the cockpit and the VR world.