BillD22 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 A 1959 magazine ad and some shots of an American L188 Electra taking off from Miami (KMIA). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD22 Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 Extra credit question for Electra and P3 peeps: What distinctive inflight visual feature, common to both airplanes, is missing from these shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Bravo Zulo Bill. Great aircraft for sure. After scouring hundreds of pics of the L-188/P-3 I'll have to pass on the extra credit (maybe ask me a H-46 question?). Loved the vintage advertisement. What I did lean was there are hundreds of wonderful paint schemes this aircraft wore, for so many operators, military and civil. Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Only thing I can see that's missing is a small blade-shaped antenna that is usually somewhere along the top ridge of the fuselage. Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD22 Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 5 hours ago, mrzippy said: Only thing I can see that's missing is a small blade-shaped antenna that is usually somewhere along the top ridge of the fuselage. Phrog and Mr. Z thanks for looking. It probably would have helped if I had added "Can be seen from miles away." I'm referring to the 4 trails of gray/brown engine exhaust from the D-501/T-56 engines, a visual dead ID giveaway in the RW airplanes. It was modeled in FSX but didn't carry over in the FS2020 conversion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, BillD22 said: I'm referring to the 4 trails of gray/brown engine exhaust from the D-501/T-56 engines, a visual dead ID giveaway in the RW airplanes. Too funny Bill. I was going to say exhaust trail! Tough decision, who was smokier, P-3 or B-52? Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankees Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 nice pics! as for smoke... Slapping paint on flightsim models you'll find all my FSX/P3D repaints here and all my MSFS repaints here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 5 hours ago, jankees said: as for smoke... Now we're talking! Converting JP to smoke. "Those were the days...." Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Nels_Anderson Posted April 25, 2023 Founder Share Posted April 25, 2023 5 hours ago, jankees said: nice pics! as for smoke... Looks like an 8 engine crop duster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Nels_Anderson Posted April 25, 2023 Founder Share Posted April 25, 2023 Also thinking...isn't that false advertising? To be a "jet powered" aircraft, the turbine engines would need to create thrust directly, rather than through the turning of propeller blades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Nels_Anderson said: jet powered I remember in aero classes at Pensacola we used to discuss the difference between "jet powered" vs "pure jet." Now that has evolved to "turbine powered" (such as turbo-prop) and "jet." Bell Ranger vs Bell Jet-Ranger was a direct renaming to reflect a new engine (jet/turbine vs reciprocating). I have had conversations with people who do not understand that turbine powered IS a jet. Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Nels_Anderson Posted April 25, 2023 Founder Share Posted April 25, 2023 Well, a jet engine is powered by a turbine, and a turbo-prop engine is powered by a turbine. They are very similar. To be a "jet engine" it should generate propulsion via a jet of fluid (air). A turbine turning a propeller is not doing this so really is not a jet engine though it's easy to see people using that term anyway since it's so similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 A jet turbine engine is a turbine that rotates from the jet exhaust propelled out of a jet engine. See There are several types of jet engines. Described nicely here. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.hill.af.mil/Portals/58/documents/Museum/Aircraft-Engines.pdf%3Fver%3D2016-09-07-155613-950%23:~:text%3DThere%20are%20several%20types%20of,ramjet%2C%20pulsejet%2C%20and%20scramjet.%26text%3DA%20turbojet%20engine%20is%20a,for%20the%20combustion%20of%20fuel.&ved=2ahUKEwiBrcL2x8X-AhVznokEHYWiCiMQFnoECEIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw0S0DDkSivjHnU3V5lNJptP Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD22 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Nels_Anderson said: Also thinking...isn't that false advertising? To be a "jet powered" aircraft, the turbine engines would need to create thrust directly, rather than through the turning of propeller blades... Well, I think the idea here was more "me too" rather than "false advertising." The ad does say it's a turbo-prop engine thereby distinguishing it from a 100% "pure" jet. The message was to convey speed. In other words, "Just because you're flying on an old-fashioned-looking prop airplane instead of a hot new technology 707 jet doesn't mean you aren't going fast." In this timeframe many other Electra operators used similar "me too" and prominent "JET" language in their ads and on their liveries to keep up with competitors who were dumping their Connies and DC-6s and going all jet. See these examples: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 The joys of semantics and advertising. Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Turbo Prop or Turbo Jet? Ad another turbine wheel before the exhaust and you now have a turbo prop. Being an old chopper guy I usually fly low and slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rupert said: Ad another turbine wheel before the exhaust and you now have a turbo prop. It's as simple as that! Have that same shaft go through gearing and now you have a turbine-helicopter. Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, PhrogPhlyer said: It's as simple as that! Have that same shaft go through gearing and now you have a turbine-helicopter. Or a turbo prop fixed wing aircraft. Being an old chopper guy I usually fly low and slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beroun Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Nice shots BillD. Electra is also my favorite aircraft to fly! Peter Bendl ex. British Airways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD22 Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 hours ago, beroun said: Nice shots BillD. Electra is also my favorite aircraft to fly! Thanks, Peter. One of mine too. I keep hoping one of the payware developers will realize we have more than enough FS Airbus and Boeing/other glass cockpit planes and come up with an FS2020 L188 Electra version. There's a big market out there if somebody wants to fill it. The KBT FSX model is good but only partially converts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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