ster100 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Are all addons bugfree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftldave Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Do human beings ever make mistakes? Of course they do, no matter how much care and diligence. And it's true in computer programming like anything else made by humans. No, not all add-ons are going to be bug free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, ftldave said: Of course they do Oh No!!!! Say it's not so!!!! Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Nels_Anderson Posted April 21, 2023 Founder Share Posted April 21, 2023 I'd guess that very few add-ons on totally bug free... The standard for software in general these days seems to be to rush it out to release as quickly as possible, and then fix the bugs after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiloWatt Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Nels_Anderson said: The standard for software in general these days seems to be to rush it out to release as quickly as possible, and then fix the bugs after. This seems to sum it up for me. I recall software bugs back in the day, but from what I could tell they were simply edge cases not caught during development. These days software seems to get shipped with known, and sometimes major, bugs. I can think of many many reasons why this is, but that would take the discussion into the realms of corporate culture, capitalism, management styles, marketing, work ethic, millenials, politics, AI, the occult, and the colour pink...so let's not go there. 1 Ryzen 5 3600X, 16 GB 3733 MTs RAM, Radeon RX5700 OC, 2560 x 1080 Ultrawide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snave Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I have held - and continue to hold back - from MSFS because it remains error-full, bug-ridden and not worthy of the title of a Microsoft product. Unless/until they sort out ALL the bugs I am not spending another penny on this POC. The problem is a lack of trust, brought about by the ongoing faults and absence of desire/ability to fix them. I have ZERO trust in this iteration of sim-dom, currently. They could ask another developer to sort it all out and I would still not buy UNTIL `they` prove what was broken is now fixed. Meantime, it looks like P3Dv6 is imminent... One developer who doesn't construe inaccuracy and ineptitude as a `customers` fault or price for doing business. Just as well, as the USAF have higher standards than ANY simmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Nels_Anderson Posted April 22, 2023 Founder Share Posted April 22, 2023 Well, with that decision made, you'll be holding back forever from getting MSFS 2020. It's been made clear that the sim will be in continuous development for years (i.e., the "sim upgrades", "world upgrades") and adding features invariably means new bugs. Given the complexity of the flight simulator they would never be able to "sort out ALL the bugs" so you are asking for the impossible. Imperfect as it is, MSFS 2020 is the most fun I've ever had with a flightsim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagorandy Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 To Snave - Thankfully in the free market world economy, as far as I am aware no one is being forced to purchase MSFS 2020 or anything else for that matter. If you don't want to try it, don't. Problem solved. No need to report back here why you aren't going to join the ranks of millions of happy flight simmers -myself included - who ARE enjoying all that MSFS 2020 has to offer. "Don't believe everything you see on the internet." - Abe Lincoln HP Pavilion Desktop i5-8400@2.8ghz, 16gb RAM, 1TB M.2 SSD, GTX1650 4GB, 300 MBPS internet, 31.5" curved monitor, Logitech yoke-throttle, Flt Vel trim wheel, TFRP rudder pedals, G/M IR headset, Extreme 3D Pro joystick, Wheel Stand Pro S Dlx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSkorna Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Ok, see you later then Simon. No reason to post in this MSFS forum. http://www.air-source.us/images/sigs/000219_195_jimskorna.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftldave Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 hours ago, chicagorandy said: Thankfully in the free market world economyz ... No need to report back here why you aren't going to join the ranks ... There's some kind of contradiction there. This IS a forum and I wouldn't want it to just be happy talk and feel-good spin. The free part, in my mind, let's us be free to discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly ... and THE BUGS, doesn't it? I know that I learn things I didn't know from the critics, and I use my own filters when someone goes tin-foil hat, off the rails about Microsoft. payware, or whatever. I haven't invested in any MSFS due to its need for some essential bug fixes and repairs, but I can appreciate the dazzling eye-candy graphics, not to mention my own interest getting boosted by the recent AN-225 release, plus the Concorde. But, so far, I've voted with my feet, not gone there, no sale. But, hey, love those MSFS screen shots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger1962 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 The main reason for addons being released with bugs is that in many areas the SDK is unclear or incomplete: definitions are given without an example or default value, or is defined as "not currently used in flight simulator". Some of the flight_model.cfg "not currently used" entries ARE actually used by the autopilot logic and shouldn't be set to 0 as the SDK implies. It's a work in progress and we can ALL be part of it by reporting these bugs via the Zendesk portal and be a positive, contributing member of the flight sim community. Tim Wright "The older I get, the better I was..." Xbox Series X, Asus Prime H510M-K, Intel Core i5-11400F 4.40GHz, 16Gb DDR4 3200, 2TB WD Black NVME SSD, 1TB Samsung SATA SSD NVidia RTX3060 Ti 8Gb, Logitech Flight Yoke System, CH Pro Pedals, Acer K272HL 27", Windows 11 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Air Force Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I have an issue with MSFS 2020 Marketplace. I work at a US military installation in Europe, however, the only APO's the credit card application recognizes are Africa, America, and Pacific - no Europe. So I can't register my credit card to make any purchases offered in the Marketplace. Is there another source for add-ons I can use outside of the Marketplace and can easily be added to MSFS 2020 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagorandy Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 "There's some kind of contradiction there. This IS a forum and I wouldn't want it to just be happy talk and feel-good spin." As I understand it, this is a forum FOR those who simfly MSFS 2020. Owners and users of the product have NOT been discouraged from posting pro/con opinions. Those who come on solely to post that they are NOT going to buy it kinda sound like me going on to a Ford forum to explain why I like Chevy and refuse to buy Fords. Or perhaps me strolling into Wendy's to loudly announce that I like Burger King and statoing my reasons. Strikes ME as rather counter-productive activity. But that's just me. "Don't believe everything you see on the internet." - Abe Lincoln HP Pavilion Desktop i5-8400@2.8ghz, 16gb RAM, 1TB M.2 SSD, GTX1650 4GB, 300 MBPS internet, 31.5" curved monitor, Logitech yoke-throttle, Flt Vel trim wheel, TFRP rudder pedals, G/M IR headset, Extreme 3D Pro joystick, Wheel Stand Pro S Dlx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger1962 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Well said Randy. Like the man said: "If you're not not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Tim Wright "The older I get, the better I was..." Xbox Series X, Asus Prime H510M-K, Intel Core i5-11400F 4.40GHz, 16Gb DDR4 3200, 2TB WD Black NVME SSD, 1TB Samsung SATA SSD NVidia RTX3060 Ti 8Gb, Logitech Flight Yoke System, CH Pro Pedals, Acer K272HL 27", Windows 11 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 22 hours ago, Old School Air Force said: I have an issue with MSFS 2020 Marketplace. I work at a US military installation in Europe, however, the only APO's the credit card application recognizes are Africa, America, and Pacific - no Europe. So I can't register my credit card to make any purchases offered in the Marketplace. Is there another source for add-ons I can use outside of the Marketplace and can easily be added to MSFS 2020 ? Many developers offer their add-ons for sale elsewhere, including their own sites as well as other online storefronts such as here at the Flightsim.com Store, Orbx, Simmarket and Aerosoft. Start with the developer's website and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhrogPhlyer Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 23 hours ago, chicagorandy said: why I like Chevy and refuse to buy Fords Won't get an argument from me on this one. Always Aviate, then Navigate, then Communicate. And never be low on Fuel, Altitude, Airspeed, or Ideas. Laptop, Intel Core i7 CPU 1.80GHz 2.30 GHz, 8GB RAM, 64-bit, NVIDIA GeoForce MX 130, Extra large coffee-black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budreiser Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Whenever I encounter something goofy in MSFS2020 (and YES, there are many) I digress back to the early to mid 80's. "We've come a long way, baby". Remember the square clouds, the three or four available colors, the three or four available aircraft, the three or four available airports. You can't call them "the good old days". The world ain't perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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