mjahn Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Dear fellow simmers, As we all know here, piracy is a terrible thing. Our Digital Dakota Works team has just seen a new variant of it, a quick and decidedly dirty MSFS2020 portover of our popular freeware C-47. As was to be expected, the thing is largely dysfunctional in MSFS, causes CTD’s, and generally looks and flies terrible. Still, the downloads go into thousands. Because I am given a “credit†in the upload wrapper - clickbait, clearly - these faults attach to my name and some simmers are even asking what am I going to do about them. For the record: I am not going to give permission for a MSFS portover, ever. I was able to talk to two PD servers that had the illicit upload and persuaded them to take it down, and to their credit, they did and apologized for it. There is one organization that does not respond to multiple contact form messages and continues to have it on offer. The site goes by the name of Allflightmods.com: The biggest all flight simulator mods website. The uploader hides behind the name Treyeastland, on another upload it was somebody named Zach Gloss. I would be happy to speak to these people, but am unable to contact either or the webmaster of the site. Perhaps if they see this post they can drop me a line. Here is my request to all simmers: do not download it, do not fly it, and if you see any pics or vids or threads related to it make it a point to comment and possibly link to this thread. Many thanks. Manfred Jahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g7rta Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Hi Manfred, I personally didn’t know this existed. I’ve just looked on YouTube & yep, there are plenty of videos of it. I’ve added a link to this thread on one of them. Hope they all get removed. Regards Steve Intel I9-13900K - Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX - 64Gb DDR5 5600Mhz - Asus RTX4090 ROG STRIX 24GB 3x 43” Panasonic 4k TVs - Corsair RMx 1200W PSU - 2 x 2TB M.2, 2 x 4TB SATA III and 1 x 4TB M.2 SSDs. Pico 4 VR Headset - Honeycomb Alpha Yoke - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Unit Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals - Saitek Throttles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Right on, Manfred! As soon as they appear over at the "Other Site", where I moderate, those posts and links get deleted immediately! And I see the Outhouse doing the same. ;) Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.e.g.a.s.u.s Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 "Corona Beach Club" - can hardly remember there was a time it could mean anything else... ^^:cool:^^ ´´´\/``` AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, 48GB RAM, RTX 2070S, 2x1TB Nvme SSD. FSX Gold, XP-11, MSFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrodox2001 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 There is one organization that does not respond to multiple contact form messages and continues to have it on offer. The site goes by the name of Allflightmods.com: The biggest all flight simulator mods website. The uploader hides behind the name Treyeastland, on another upload it was somebody named Zach Gloss. Maybe you could try a DMCA takedown to the website? But it seems doesn't have an option for contact other than the contact form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfgarland Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 I can only imagine the frustration and anger at such violations, especially as your (and groups) work is exceptional and exceeds even payware. Is there a way to get this information out in a more public manner? Perhaps an article/interview done on this sites home page? as well as other notable sites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Nels_Anderson Posted September 5, 2020 Founder Share Posted September 5, 2020 That's really sad to hear about, though unfortunately not surprising. We have a lot of newcomers coming into the hobby. Those of us who have been flightsimming for a while need to reach out to them and advise on what's OK to do and what is not. I'm also seeing them starting up new file hosting sites, though as all of you reading this well know the flightsim hobby already has several very good hosting sites that are quite capable of handling MSFS 2020 files as well (need I mention that FlightSim.Com is one of these?) So looking beyond this one problem I'd ask you all to let others know about the long time existing resources, like FlightSim.Com and its file library, that are already well established and encourage them to use them and join the hobby mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.e.g.a.s.u.s Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Visited the offending allflightmods.com website for the first time. It looks well done, to me, and I suppose those running it will want it to grow in reputation. But I also think I saw the C-47 mod on the front page, under top 3 mods. Actually it must be the one, hust saw it says Credits: Manfred Jahn. They should be made aware that we all know there are such pirated mods there, and that we expect them to take them down. I’ve sent them a message via the contacts page to that effect. ^^:cool:^^ ´´´\/``` AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, 48GB RAM, RTX 2070S, 2x1TB Nvme SSD. FSX Gold, XP-11, MSFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvensmith Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 We've had this happen in the train sim world as well - in fact I had to get a file taken down from Nels' sister site (Trainsim dot com) a few years back when someone cloned one of my routes and uploaded it as their own work. It is particularly rife over in Trainz world too where N3V sadly play a bit fast and loose with creator rights sometimes when it comes to copyright theft. Of course good luck getting things taken down if the offender is in Russia, China or similar where anything goes so far as nicking other peoples' work is concerned and they are pretty much beyond the reach of any international recourse or appeals to fair play! The problem is everyone is baying for new aircraft (or old ones remade) to fly in this thing, but probably best to see what pops up at reputable sites such as here or A...m and what the payware vendors may start to offer. Vern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarffin Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 problem is everyone is a few people who are not respecting the rights of the original creator, not asking for permission and just uploading with out a care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thsteeger Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Hello Manfred, What you write is of course correct, nobody is allowed to change your creation and upload it again without your permission, regardless of whether they do it perfectly or in a bumbling manner. But that brings me to the question of whether you intend to transfer your beautiful DC3 / C47 yourself to MSFS, especially with the easy-to-use, modernized cockpit from the V2? Regards Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g7rta Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 But that brings me to the question of whether you intend to transfer your beautiful DC3 / C47 yourself to MSFS Manfred said in his post.. “For the record: I am not going to give permission for a MSFS portover, ever.†Regards Steve Intel I9-13900K - Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX - 64Gb DDR5 5600Mhz - Asus RTX4090 ROG STRIX 24GB 3x 43” Panasonic 4k TVs - Corsair RMx 1200W PSU - 2 x 2TB M.2, 2 x 4TB SATA III and 1 x 4TB M.2 SSDs. Pico 4 VR Headset - Honeycomb Alpha Yoke - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Unit Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals - Saitek Throttles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plainsman Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 This kind of thing will really hurt the hobby! Good people that are the stalwart creators, take pride in the accuracy of the details of their work. When someone abuses the result, it is deflating and will ultimately lead to fewer quality models. Most don't appreciate the amount of time in not only modeling, but in research and meticulous calculation, to make these fine models available. I am very sorry to hear this,Manfred!! All the Best! I7-9700K, RTX-2070, Asus Strix Z-390-H MB, 32gb G Skill 3000 CL15, Corsair Obsidian 750D case, WD Black 1tb M.2, Crucial CT500MX SSD, Seasonic Prime 750W Titanium PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPHILL3 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I'm sure everyone here would agree that the name Manfred Jahn is legendary in the flight sim world. So I also know we are all ticked-off re: Your notice of this blatant piracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thsteeger Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Hello Steve, I was not born with English as my mother tongue, but your quote does not make it impossible, that Manfred Jahn could portover the C-47 to MSFS2020 by himself. He has the permission to do it ;-) So my question to Manfred Jahn remains and has not yet been answered. Regards Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Hello Steve, I was not born with English as my mother tongue, but your quote does not make it impossible, that Manfred Jahn could portover the C-47 to MSFS2020 by himself. He has the permission to do it ;-) So my question to Manfred Jahn remains and has not yet been answered. Regards Thomas In a post from another site, Mr. Jahn indicated he was not planning on porting to MSFS himself either. Sounds like a big part of this was due to the case posted here, as well as the effort in learning the new and still incomplete SDK for MSFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjahn Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Hi guys, sorry I was distracted elsewhere. It's true I have given up modeling and simming but Jan Visser and I have given Gordon Madison of Sim Outhouse the C-47 source files and he has our permission to create a true native MSFS version (not a silly portover conversion). He has also got permission to do the C-97 and the B-50. This may take some time because Gordon has a number of other projects in hand, both scenery and aircraft, and I understand the SDK isn't complete yet either. Meanwhile Aeroplane Heaven are busy creating their MSFS DC-3, and since they have a very efficient development structure you will see something from them soon, I am pretty sure. Let's wish them well ... as long as they don't ask users to open the hamburger door when starting no. 1. :) Cheers Manfred Edited October 4, 2020 by mjahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thsteeger Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Hello Manfred, thanks to you for this answer and all the best for a future without modeling and simming. And I'm looking forward about what kind of native DC-3 there will be in the future for the MSFS 2020 and especially when. Cheers Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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