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Hello! I originally installed directly into Win 10 from the DVD (post #6 above). Some update has moved and otherwise disabled secdrv.sys, the system file that allows optical media to have access to your PC. SecDrv.sys was part of Windows up until recently, and is enabled by default in XP. While experimenting, I installed into a vanilla FS9 on a Win XP machine (post #16 above), copied the relevant folders to USB drive and (could then have) pasted them directly into FS9 on my Win 10 machine. It seems the installer doesn't check the registry, only for a copy of fs9.exe so you don't need a full fs9 installation. Consequently, Mark's suggestion is rather more elegant: 1. On a XP machine, make a folder called whatever. 2. Put a copy of the fs9.exe into it. 3. Install the C-130 from DVD into that folder. 4. Doing that means you shouldn't have to filter all the C-130 stuff out from the rest of the fs9 files before copying to USB for porting. D

Do you actually have secdrv.sys? Appuals suggests creating a registry entry but doesn't mention the system file. I suspect mine was moved during an update. Spot the discrepancy:

Sweet! Nice going. Does yours include the J variant?

Thanks Mark. I wasn't aware that the installer didn't use the FS9 registry entry. It took me a while last night to filter out all the bits & pieces I needed to copy from the XP machine. This should require much less work... I'll have a go at enabling SecDrv this evening: it must have been enabled at some time because I'm sure I installed into Win 10 from the disc. The name of the service rings a bell so it may be that I'd enabled it in the past & forgotten all about it. Possibly through group policy editor? Or WinAero? If I'd done it in the registry, the entry should still be there. "... where Microsoft have completely removed this service" is interesting. If the sys file is no longer in Windows, it couldn't have been any of the above unless it was removed during a version update. When something is done, it's forgotten. I may even have installed the C-130 to XP and then reinstalled a fresh FS9 for some other purpose. Col, if you have no luck, Mark has pretty well confirmed that what I did last night is portable. D

I think Tim Wright and CRJ_simpilot's suggestion is worth pursuing. There may also be an application somewhere that relieves the restriction on running from optical media. If not, and you feel like experimenting, drop me a PM. D

After a couple of hours, the only appropriate expression is "Huh". Something's changed: the installer on the disc won't run at all for me now in Win 10. I skipped the options for adverts and new purchases... I saw "The installer is doing something or other but won't give you enough time to read what because"... desktop. Some dodgy MS update I suppose. On the other hand, it worked on my XP PC into a vanilla FS9. If push comes to shove, to use an old midwife's expression, I now have 3.1 probably portable GB of it but I don't want to experiment too much because if I break the Win 10 installation then I'm scuppered. D

Just another thought during a lunch break. Does your DVD drive auto-play? It's been a while since I installed mine -- over 18 months -- but I've never allowed autoplay on any media and always navigate to the installer exe. I've seen GUI installers running on autoplay that simply call up a more basic installer exe in their background. It could be worth having a look at the contents of E:\ to see if there is a second likely candidate in there. I think my installation is portable so I may stash it and have a play this evening. I suppose it's equally possible that your disc is damaged. As as aside, your differing DVD cover has me intrigued. I'm not sure whether I have the original or the updated version (my pic was from ebay) but I've been noticing some minor bugs in mine, particularly concerning fuel flow and remaining fuel onboard, which is a nuisance when I have to pay for it in Air Hauler. If I have the original, I think I'll have to upgrade... D

Hi. I think I must be misunderstanding something here. I didn't have to download any installer: the entire installation process ran from the DVD with no connection to the rest of the world. I take it the downloaded installer is an update to an existing aircraft and that you must first install the original version, then reinsert the DVD to supply some stuff required by the updater. Is this the disc that you have? You should be able to install directly from that, and perhaps try the update afterwards. D

Hi Col. JF's C-130 installs perfectly well into Win 10 from DVD. It's what I use in place of Captain Sim's non-installer download: Some screenies from another JF C-130 thread. It could be Win 10's refusal to run anything from an optical disc but I don't recall encountering any problems when I ran through a normal installation from the disc. "Asks for the folder containing the DVD" seems a bit odd given that DVDs are usually drives in their own right and a folder surely can't contain a drive. Can you post a screenie? D

You're right -- it's never going to be hugely popular and, if the pilot can drive it away from an airfield then part-ownership also becomes a problem. Still a great dream though.

Great screenshot and a great Rialto Bridge. What is the scenery?

Sorry, I messed up the link. It's riva_aqu.zip in the FS9 library here. Definitely not an airliner:

Hi. The last time I simmed seriously with a passenger jet was over five years ago when I had several months with Dave Maltby's BAC 1-11 500 in my local (if very retro) colours. I never joined a VA. Internet time is very limited and being somewhat recalcitrant I'm not keen on being obliged to fly. The only plus-sized aircraft I use nowadays is Just Flight's C-130. It's by far my favourite because it has a detailed and fully functional VC (though the late J variant from Captain Sim is nicer on the outside). Cold & dark to entering the runway usually takes about 15 minutes. I use it mainly with the original Air Hauler. It's cheap to run, goes a long way and copes well with short runways. If I have the time then I use Radar Contact for ATC. Often, though, I'll skip all ATC and just get the job done: in the cruise the sim rate is usually 16 ×. The main interest is at either end of the flight and I'm not above breaking the rules. FSUIPC's exploding AI function is great for clearing other planes from the runway whenI'm on short final... GA or not GA is difficult to determine. I have vastly more sim hours in Air Hauler but have spent much more real-world time at the PC in small aircraft. In AH I have one employee, whose hours have long since exceeded mine. They have the BAC 1-11. Using FS9, my main regret with regard to AH is that I can't see their plane if we happen to be at the same airport. My C-130 still has standard livery but theirs is in company colours: there's a picture here from when I made the repaint. I have also a long, long RTW going on. It's getting on for 15 years now and I'm currently using RealAir's SF.260 or whatever appeals to me on the day. The C-130 and Rick Piper's HS.748 are the two favourite bigger-than-GA aircraft but generally something small and simple fits the bill better for a quick evening flight. I started the RTW in the stock C172 before swapping for the stock Mooney. By now, I've probably logged most RTW GA hours in Carenado's Piper Seneca, which has crisscrossed South America while taking me from Halley VI in Antarctica to Seymour in the Galapagos, where I swapped for the SF.260 The RTW flight is persistent so if I arrive late on Nov 24th then I'll set FS time to early morning Nov 25th for the departure. The weather is set with FSMetar for the sim's date & time. I downloaded a year's worth of metars many years ago. Increasingly frequently I may just go out for a joyride near home in anything in the Aircraft folder. For this I blame Skyrim, which seems to have destroyed my attention span. It could be a short hop in the stock C172 from my local to a farm strip, though again RealAir did a better job of the flight dynamics. It could be poking around the coast in a Catalina. I once tried some sort of dirigible airship but oh! how tedious. I do occasionally take the Aquarama out for a spin and one day will take it up the Congo. No, that's not a euphemism. D

+1 I think you have the balance pretty well spot on.

@JSMR And that sarcastic ground controller drawling "... please try to keep it on the concrete." FU3 and FS9 will be my favourites as long as I have hardware to run them.

... where things really have gone down hill since Tom passed away. There is a very opressive orthodoxy in the moderation there, and don't get me started on the adverts. The best thing about FlightSim.com is the light moderation and members' self-regulation. I doubt there's a more balanced flightsim forum but I do believe that potential flame wars need to be defused before they happen. The trick is in having the maturity to walk away for a while when the other chap starts biting. The open nature of discussion here is what I find most attractive about the forum. Personally, I've not seen any seriously offensive posts: it takes two to tangle and I've a good supply of popcorn. Anyhow, as far as leaving FS9 is concerned, I doubt I ever will but it still ticks all the boxes I need. Different sims for different purposes. Some have better flight dynamics, some have better graphics. Some have better AI or ATC or a broader range of addons. Some (Flight Unlimited anyone?) are just ace anyway. We all go where we can find what we are looking for and that's bound to change over time. D

Hi. Try their facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/Malaysian-Flight-Simulator-Group-198385940002/ Hit the 'Send Message' button in their banner or use the contact info in the 'About' panel. D

I have a bad feeling about what you describe, especially on a 10-year old machine. Do you play any other games and, if so, have you seen any odd behaviour inany of them? I'm thinking particularly of the following: incorrect colours extended vertices (corners) or even large spikes on objects blocky, polygonal or 'crystalline' shadows where they are usually smooth crashes to desktop unusually slow texture loads failure to resolve from low to hi res artifacts like streaks or sparkles (not anti aliasing) in smooth textures? I have FS9 running on a five year old Win 10 machine with an I5 and a plain GTX1060 with no crashes, freezes or black screens so I don't think there's a compatibility issue. Ten years is a good life for a graphics card or even onboard graphics: it may be time to upgrade. On the other hand, if the error previously occurred in the same hardware, I may be completely off the mark. D

Us: QUOTE=CRJ_simpilot;2179239]Here ya go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday#Early_centuries Origen of Alexandria was a miserable old so and so wasn't he? He and I wouldn't have got along. Oh oh. Grampa Chuck's snoring again. Too many birthdays...

Yes. Yes yes yes! Regularly and frequently. Not modding at such a low level as GK and only flying fixed wing, the only extant problems I see are trivial on modern machines. One is the landclass texture folder memory leak (a genuine bug in the fundamental code that would have been simple to fix). The other is that MS never expected more than 3 figure framerates which, combined with lazily designed sound handling,makes some sounds buzz at high fps. (Oh, and flat, horizontal runways.) There are simple workarounds for the first two (implemented at home...) and a rather poorer one for the runway problem, which is only good for farm strips, and rubbish for AI. I love exploring, breaking the rules, adhering to the rules, hunting for eastereggs and other oddities (oil rigs, mesh errors, flying under bridges or between highrise buildings, landing in fields & forest clearings, finding new mountain passes, variety of planes, customizable and very eclectic AI traffic, exploding AI with FSUIPC, making my own backwoods retreats c/w airstrips, Air Hauler et c.) Fireworks and northern lights... Northern lights! Spending 30 minutes on a full start up routine or getting off the ground in under 60 seconds as I please. A year's worth of downloaded metars. I've been on a round the world flight for over ten years and I think I'll get to my grave before getting back home... It does everything I need and pretty well everything I want. D

Speak for yourself. I think mine should be a global public holiday and religious festival. That was what got us thinking. We use seasons to mark the annual cycle and they're caused by the Earth's axial tilt. With no tilt there are no seasons and - on Earth at least - it's generally not possible to see stars when the sun is up so a society would have to use parallax or something similar. That requires a degree of precision & accuracy that probably wouldn't be available to early cultures. We concluded that such societies wouldn't be able to record history by years but would have to use some arbitrary grouping of days. Increased precision in astronomy later in the society's development could cause a change of calendar but we thought that age and birthdays just wouldn't ever be a thing. The way humans think about stuff is tied so closely to our evolution and that of our environment that considering stuff from such a different perspective is interesting to say the least. Someone recently pointed out to me that as we have ten fingers (broadly, I know. And I have more than the average number of legs) so in the west we group numbers in tens. But if you count in binary with your fingers, suddenly you can count up to 1024 before having to use your toes... I'll still be chibi. But not cute.

Unless we're considering Celestia or some other astronomical sim, this really has no relevance to anything. It just came up in a conversation about calendars... How do people living on planets with no axial tilt know when to celebrate their birthdays? Determining your planet's and your sun's positions relative to each other and to the rest of the universe is something that comes very late in a society's development, and if there's no moon then they can't even have a birthday every month...

Hi Alex. This may seem like a stupid question but are the two pictures from the same set of folders? The texture SBAI_MI-8MT_T.BMP does not seem to be in the correct location. Post #23 with Aircraft.cfg shows: ..\Flight Simulator 9\Aircraft\AI-Mi8T_SBAI\ Post #24 with the texture bitmap shows: ..\FS9\SBAI_Mi-8T\ The aircraft.cfg file you posted earlier has a suitable path to a texture file. What files are actually in ..\Flight Simulator 9\Aircraft\AI-Mi8T_SBAI\texture.HuAF_MH86_705 ? D

Hi. I think the model and it's folder structure must have been ok because it showed up in Alex's screenshot in post #22. I'm fairly sure the problem was related to textures. Either the texture folder has the wrong name or, more likely in light of Alex's post #31, the texture files for that model are all incorrectly named. Judging by the same post, it also looks as though reistallation has messed up the path to the correct model file. Has flight 705 disappeared entirely now or does the grey helicopter still show up? D

Got it. Thank you: [fltsim.244] title=SBAI_Mi-17_HuAF_MH86_705 sim=Mi8 model=8M/a2-pz-lpg texture=HuAF_MH86_705 atc_airline=HUNGARIAN AIR FORCE ui_manufacturer=SBAI prop_anim_ratio=-1.52 ui_type=Mil Mi-17 ui_variation=Hungarian Air Force, MH86, Szolnok, 705 description=AI Mil Mi-17V5 model With realistic takeoff and landing designed by Sergey Bunevich\nFlight Dynamics correction by A.Fedotov for AI-Traffic use ONLY! atc_parking_types=Mil_Combat atc_parking_codes=MH86 *** Is the texture folder definitely called texture.HuAF_MH86_705 Do the textures themselves have the correct names? D