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Still pales into insignificance to the disaster of FSuX. A terrible terrible simulator. More plastic then a plastic factory.

 

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Now THAT is original.

This is about as low as it gets. I have nothing to say in response -- your statement speaks for itself.

And I bet you haven't used FS9 in at least 10 years? That's the problem, you need to use it with some of the newer content. It makes all the difference.

Anyhow, let's not get in a sim war and yes, as you please and peace.

It's been 14 years -- I dropped FS9 as soon as FSX came out. No interest whatever in going back to either one.

The only thing FSX made ‘obsolete’ when it was released was FSX itself. Even the Titanic was more of a success.

You do know that 1400 people died on the Titanic?

Here is the difference between us. I want the feeling I am flying a real aircraft. It is a flight simulator after all.

 

A good quality airport in FS9 gives me all the visual immersion I am looking for and FS9 fills all the other needs of a flight sim.

 

Each to their own but you are clearly putting visuals above all else and visuals alone you must admit does not make a flight simulator. MSFS is lacking in every other area.

MSFS is not just about "visuals". With its advanced flight modeling, weather, and ultra-realistic scenery, it provides absolutely the closest feeling to real flight of I have felt outside of a real-life cockpit. No other sim is even close, and I have seen enough posts here and elsewhere to tell me that I have plenty of company.

What intrigues me about your argument is that your favorite sim is -- of all things -- FS9, a 20 year old relic that was great in its day but was rendered technologically obsolete by FSX, and that was 14 years ago! To me this is is hard to fathom, especially as I well remember FS9 and its pixellated ground terrain, among other now-quaint features. Clearly you and I have very different needs -- indeed so different that I see no way to bridge the gap. It is like my grandma and her beloved coal stove (see above). Bless her heart, and bless yours as well! Carry on and enjoy FS9. I will do likewise with MSFS. Peace.

People keep saying this. How??? FSX worked! Yes, performance was an issue, still is but everything else worked. EVERYTHING is broken in MSFS. Literally EVERYTHING does not work properly. Performance is also an issue in MSFS and when you "may" eventually be able to add decent add-ons, it'll be unusable.

 

It's debatable if this opportunity will ever come to test the theory because you won't see PMDG attempt to develop for something like MSFS in it's current state and I really doubt MSFS will ever be close to reasonably bug free. If I was to bet money, I would take the good odds you would get right now and place money that MSFS will never see a PMDG aircraft.

 

Edit: I should say on the PC MSFS version btw. You may see a PMDG aircraft on the Xbox MSFS. You heard the suggestion here first! lol

Absolutely false. Everything is NOT broken in MSFS, far from it, and the statement is ridiculous (though not surprising in this case) and will be recognized as such by those -- and there are many of us -- who are having a blast flying this incredible, beautiful sim. As far as addons are concerned, I have installed over 200 already (scenery and aircraft) and they work beautifully. Finally, I was an FSX fan for its entire history and will say categorically that it was attacked ferociously at first, mainly by simmers who lacked sufficient computing power to run it at the time.

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In my 65 years, YES 65 years, in the IT Industry I have never ever seen this kind of product !!!

 

ONLY Masochist are in the mental state to use this CRAP !!!

 

This company should be sued for a fraudulent product ...

OMG, unbelievable !!

 

Sincerely

 

G. Kirschstein

I be one of dose Masochists in a mental state. Havin' a ball flyin dis CRAP here in de Asylum!

Mom always use to say; "television was the biggest opportunity for education this country has ever seen and we flushed it down the toilet".

 

Most people now walk around every day holding in there hand a computer ten thousand times more powerful than the one that was used to send a man to the moon and what do they do with it. They take picture's of there lunch and post it to there face book. Sad

Can't resist pointing out that your post, spelling- and punctuation-wise, supports your comments about education.

Sorry, FS2020 is not even near FSX. It is not a Flight Simulator, it is a Google Earth flight "simulator" clone.

Geoff

In a word, ridiculous.

Its nice you want to defend this ms2020 , but in my opinion how can we defend something this bad from the beginning it was launched .If we had this much problem with anything we purchase we would be returning it would we expect a car to not run right and to expect the car manufacturer to correct it within the next 10 years ? The truth is its a bad fight sim from the beginning. It was thrown om the market without any testing at all , gosh look at the updates ! by the time they get done with updates we will run out of space on our drives It was only a money grabbing idea fior microsoft I wish i could feel positive but i cant pretend its any good at all Alan

Here is the problem: you are having a bad experience with MSFS; to you, that makes it a bad product. But many of us are having much better results, and to us it is not a bad product -- in fact, speaking for myself, but I think many others as well, it has already provided many hours of great enjoyment, by far the best, most immersive ans satisfying flight-simming I have had in 30+ years of doing it. So, you and other MSFS-trashers are in the position of trying to tell us that we are wrong -- that we are either idiots or liars. Clearly that is not a persuasive argument. I suggest you try another tack.

daspinall - sorry you are going through this. I gave the software back right away. What people fail to understand is that the 3D rendering software is a piece of crap. So the sim will never work right until a whole new version is released. For 2+ months tons of people have been posting on here what a piece of crap software this is and then you have these morons thread after thread telling people its their problem, not the software. I think after 2 months and many many post people would understand this piece of crap software will NEVER be updated to work. I love the part where people turn off their autopilots and the plane just tilts to one side with no control. Sure, an updated has been coming to fix that problem since its release. If you can, give it back. No patch is going to ever fix this software. It can't, the 3D rendering software can't handle it.

The problem with the vitriolic point of view that you express here, is that many people are running MSFS just fine and having a ball doing it. I happen to be one of them. For us, it is not a "piece of crap". How can this be explained if the product is worthless?

Not good enough, I`m afraid.

If Asobo can`t build in retro-compatibility they have no reason to be producing a mass-market product and should remove themselves from the market `tout-suite`! Customers have the right to expect rearwards compliance or else they have no right or reason to expect chargeable addons!

I try to keep my posts restrained, but this is utterly ridiculous. Computer software changes all the time, and the notion that all new programs must be backward-compatible with earlier software is fantasy compounded by ignorance. If that idea had been followed in practice, there would have been no advance in computer technology in the last 50 years. Get real!

hold on installing any add ons until they get this bird off the ground.

 

Hobbitrocks

Just FYI, I have 82 gigabytes of addons installed (almost all freeware) and my bird has been flying all over the world for months with few problems. Whatever your problems are, they are almost certainly not due to addons.

There is a nice video by squirrel on YouTube msfs2020 on how to find any house. Try it.

No need to go through that multi-step operation in the video, which doesn't really address the question here anyway -- it tells you how to "find" a place starting at a nearby airport, but not how to go to a specific geographic location. There are two very easy methods to place any aircraft anywhere you want:

(1) Simply enter the latitude and longitude of the desired location in the flight setup screen as noted above (and I think it will now accept either decimal or degrees-minutes-seconds format). If you have the plane in slew mode, then you can hit F1 after it is moved, to place it on the ground.

(2) My favorite -- use VFRmap (a readily available freeware addon) to teleport to any spot on the globe.

matthewz, I haven't actually seen the Premium version so can't be certain I am seeing the same thing. But the KSFO I am seeing (I just did a recheck) looks very detailed, with ground crews, loaded luggage trucks, etc. and the airport buildings, runways, and taxiways look very realistic. It is hard to believe I am seeing a default KSFO, but if I am, I'm happy with it!

I would be interested to know a bit more about the level of detail you are seeing.

There will always be those who will defend the new sim no matter what, but the tales of woe just convince me that I have made the right decision to stick with FSX for a couple of years until most of the MSFS bugs are ironed out.

 

See you in 2022!

I can certainly understand why you, and others, would choose to do this. But here is why I made a different choice. Despite some problems with MSFS (such as getting the autopilot in the A320 to work), I am having an absolute blast flying in smaller planes in locales all over the world in breathtaking scenery and real weather, with a feeling of real flight like I never had in any other sim (I am a 20-year veteran of FS9 and FSX). I would much rather be doing this over the next few years than just waiting for the sim's problems to be ironed out. But that's just my take on it.

If you don't have rudder pedals or a twist grip joystick, you can enable a setting to provide assistance on takeoffs, but I don't know what to do about landings and taxiing. FSX had an auto-rudder setting, but I don't see it in MSFS.

It has one -- I think under assistance/piloting.

My friend. Why are you always shouting at everyone in bold, or caps, or 15 bazillion exclamations and question marks? Do you think we are blind or can't read? :D

 

I'm sorry you are frustrated, but most problems can be figured out, ironed out, talked out, thrown out, burned out, freaked out, or even knocked out. Take a deep breath, stay passionate, and we'll all get through these things.

 

What are you flying? Is there a visual switch you can use in the cockpit to release the brake? In FS9 it was mapped to the trigger of my joystick, so I'd wonder if it can be re-assigned in some similar fashion? I'm only conjecturing as I won't have this to test for a couple months, so please forgive my ignorance.

 

Hope you are able to figure this out sir. :D

Amen to this. Earlier I suggested a sedative might help.