CaptainTower Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Once upon a time, there was a discussion in a flight simming Forum about scenery causing problems with FS. The thread grew longer and longer about this problem when a lovely young lady entered the thread [i can't recall her name]. She was a real commercial pilot. She brought the whole debate to a sudden stop with her very brief post: "Guys, it's a FLIGHT simulator, not a SCENERY simulator." I thought that was so appropriate and, because it came from a lady, no one was offended. I never forgot that post of hers. Thank you, Tim ASUS GL 12CX; Intel i7 9700K 3.6 GHz; 16 GB GDDR8 Memory; System BUS 2660 MHz; 8 MB L3 cache; NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 8GB GDDR6; Windows 10 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 We should have just left it at 16 colors and vector graphics. The planes flew fine (both of them) and the animation was as smooth as polished glass on my 512 Mhz machine. -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnuss Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 "Guys, it's a FLIGHT simulator, not a SCENERY simulator." FS is a computer program which is centered around trying to simulate flying. But when I fly real airplanes, I see trees, houses, farms, cars, trucks, tractors, people, etc. Since the sim does so poorly at simulating flight sensations (control feel, seat of the pants, field of view, etc. etc.), it needs more to aid in the illusion of real flight, so the "eye candy" plays, to me, a big part in that illusion. Otherwise it's merely a procedures simulation, and would hold little interest for me. Perhaps it's different if you spend all your time at FL 350, but I'm rarely anywhere near that. Larry N. As Skylab would say: Remember: Aviation is NOT an exact Science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Robinson Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 "Guys, it's a FLIGHT simulator, not a SCENERY simulator." That's one person's view of what FS is all about from the perspective of a pretend pilot, chances are if you ask ACES or LM what it's all about they'll tell you it's a scenery simulator that you can fly airplanes around in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainTower Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 That's one person's view of what FS is all about from the perspective of a pretend pilot, chances are if you ask ACES or LM what it's all about they'll tell you it's a scenery simulator that you can fly airplanes around in. She was a commercial pilot. Thank you, Tim ASUS GL 12CX; Intel i7 9700K 3.6 GHz; 16 GB GDDR8 Memory; System BUS 2660 MHz; 8 MB L3 cache; NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 8GB GDDR6; Windows 10 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvieno Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 We should have just left it at 16 colors and vector graphics. The planes flew fine (both of them) and the animation was as smooth as polished glass on my 512 Mhz machine. -Pv- Imagine the frame rate you'd get with today's processors. http://my.flightmemory.com/pic/tvieno.gifhttp://www.vatsimsigs.co.uk/Status/1136602.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringBean Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 What is MSFS for? What is this thread for?????? WWOD---What Would Opa Do? Farewell, my freind (sp) Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvieno Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 "Guys, it's a FLIGHT simulator, not a SCENERY simulator." I'd say it is more of an Aircraft Simulator with flying as a side benefit. I mean look at PMDG's products http://my.flightmemory.com/pic/tvieno.gifhttp://www.vatsimsigs.co.uk/Status/1136602.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavidH Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Well, that was her opinion! Of course it's not a scenery sim, but it's not just about realistic aircraft preformance and tuning. It's also about the more realistic experiance. The better scenery we have, the better flying experiance we get. Combining a realistic aircraft with realistic textures and sceneries, then we get a realistic experiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnorris Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Well, that was her opinion! Of course it's not a scenery sim, but it's not just about realistic aircraft preformance and tuning. It's also about the more realistic experiance. The better scenery we have, the better flying experiance we get. Combining a realistic aircraft with realistic textures and sceneries, then we get a realistic experiance. Which is why I've become a fan of photoreal scenery. I see what real pilots see. CLX - SET Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i9 10850K - 32GB DDR4 3000GHz Memory - GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 960GB SSD + 4TB HDD - Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSkorna Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Which is why I've become a fan of photoreal scenery. I see what real pilots see. You mean they see an image with no height objects, no seasonal changes, and no night objects? http://www.air-source.us/images/sigs/000219_195_jimskorna.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnuss Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Which is why I've become a fan of photoreal scenery. I see what real pilots see. Perhaps that's true from FL 350, but not when you're within 1,000 to 2,000 feet of the ground, or even lower (OK in the sim), unless perhaps it's used in the fashion that ORBX uses it (not everywhere, either). The so-called "photoreal scenery" is, in the couple of times I've tried it, a blurred mess when flying at low level (50-3,000 feet). It's fine from FL350, but I'm rarely up there, and in any case properly done non-photographic scenery can sometimes look better even from that high. Larry N. As Skylab would say: Remember: Aviation is NOT an exact Science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnorris Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Still beats the monopoly houses that are cut in half by roads and rivers... CLX - SET Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i9 10850K - 32GB DDR4 3000GHz Memory - GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 960GB SSD + 4TB HDD - Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSkorna Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Still beats the monopoly houses that are cut in half by roads and rivers... Not if you use high quality add-ons. http://www.air-source.us/images/sigs/000219_195_jimskorna.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnorris Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Perhaps that's true from FL 350, but not when you're within 1,000 to 2,000 feet of the ground, or even lower (OK in the sim), unless perhaps it's used in the fashion that ORBX uses it (not everywhere, either). The so-called "photoreal scenery" is, in the couple of times I've tried it, a blurred mess when flying at low level (50-3,000 feet). It's fine from FL350, but I'm rarely up there, and in any case properly done non-photographic scenery can sometimes look better even from that high. Since all I fly are jetliners, that's why I'm a fan. At high altitudes it looks so much better than default in my opinion. Not if you use high quality add-ons. Such as? CLX - SET Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i9 10850K - 32GB DDR4 3000GHz Memory - GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 960GB SSD + 4TB HDD - Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2DR Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Ah, but that's the beauty of MSFS. It can be whatever you want it to be. I was first licensed to fly the real thing back in 1957. Back then I flew out of KMRY in a 172. And so, there are times I still do that in MSFS. I remember vividly flying into Kai Tak in a 747 some years back. So, sometimes I'll fire up MSFS and do that. My wife and I have flown the Atlantic more times than I can count, and loved every trip. So, sometimes I'll fire up MSFS for a flight to Rome. In a prior life I spent some time in the Chicago area and had a chance to fly in and out of Meigs. So, sometimes I'll fire up MSFS and relive that experience. So, don't make too much of realism vs. simulation and eye-candy vs. flight dynamics. Just do what you feel and let MSFS take you anywhere you want to. Doug Edited becuase I can't spel Intel 10700K @ 5.0 Ghz, Asus Maxumus XII Hero MB, Noctua NH-U12A Cooler, Corsair Vengence Pro 32GB 3200Mhz, Geforce RTX 2060 Super GPU, Cooler Master HAF 932 Tower, Thermaltake 1000W Toughpower PSU, Windows 10 Professional 64-Bit, and other good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSkorna Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Such as? FTX Vector FTX LC FTX Global for better textures and night lighting. Oh, and since you mostly fly at 35K you can't see the "monopoly houses cut in half" anyway! http://www.air-source.us/images/sigs/000219_195_jimskorna.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Edited becuase I can't spel I find going to skool helps with speling! I agree with make it like you want and fly it like you make it???? Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnorris Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 FTX Vector FTX LC FTX Global for better textures and night lighting. Oh, and since you mostly fly at 35K you can't see the "monopoly houses cut in half" anyway! Yeah I was tempted to get those some time ago. But it looked like a higher priced version of UTX, in my opinion. CLX - SET Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i9 10850K - 32GB DDR4 3000GHz Memory - GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 960GB SSD + 4TB HDD - Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSkorna Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 No more expensive than all that photo scenery you purchased. And Vector and Global cover the world, not just a tiny section of it. http://www.air-source.us/images/sigs/000219_195_jimskorna.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwnapper Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I find going to skool helps with speling!] Wuns I coodent spel teknishun - now I ar wun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zswobbie1 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Well, MSFS is different things for different people. For some, it's a game, for others, it is a gateway to one's imagination, a whole world (photo realistic, or not) in which we loose ourselves & fly wherever we want to, or drive & even sail, wherever our mood, thoughts & dreams take us, be it within the 'Golden Age' or the Space Age.. Robin Cape Town, South Africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2DR Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I find going to skool helps with speling!] Wuns I coodent spel teknishun - now I ar wun Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorant! Duog Intel 10700K @ 5.0 Ghz, Asus Maxumus XII Hero MB, Noctua NH-U12A Cooler, Corsair Vengence Pro 32GB 3200Mhz, Geforce RTX 2060 Super GPU, Cooler Master HAF 932 Tower, Thermaltake 1000W Toughpower PSU, Windows 10 Professional 64-Bit, and other good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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