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    Many FS2004 users stick with this sim for very specific reasons.

    I'm just curious who has used FS2004 for years now but is closely looking at moving to the new sim?

    Myself, can't express how NOT appealing it is. I'll be losing many things I already have and enjoy in FS2004 for starters. I'm also not a fan of photo anything as photo anything will always be plagued with issues so the new terrain does little for me. Being a 2D panel freak, the chances are reasonable you won't even have them in the default aircraft in MSFS.

    Cost, it's not a deal breaker but despite some discussions elsewhere, cost imo will be higher for MSFS than any other flight sim especially if you like to deck it out with payware. Just take weather for example. MSFS will come with what is realistically nothing more than a fixed Jeppesen. As per past flight sim versions, for historic weather or added weather features you will likely need to look elsewhere.

    Is FS2004 perfect? No. I just can't see anything better coming along so I think I'll be sticking with FS2004 for a very long time to come.

    Anyone looking to jump the FS2004 ship???
    Mark Daniels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    Many FS2004 users stick with this sim for very specific reasons.

    I'm just curious who has used FS2004 for years now but is closely looking at moving to the new sim?

    Myself, can't express how NOT appealing it is. I'll be losing many things I already have and enjoy in FS2004 for starters. I'm also not a fan of photo anything as photo anything will always be plagued with issues so the new terrain does little for me. Being a 2D panel freak, the chances are reasonable you won't even have them in the default aircraft in MSFS.

    Cost, it's not a deal breaker but despite some discussions elsewhere, cost imo will be higher for MSFS than any other flight sim especially if you like to deck it out with payware. Just take weather for example. MSFS will come with what is realistically nothing more than a fixed Jeppesen. As per past flight sim versions, for historic weather or added weather features you will likely need to look elsewhere.

    Is FS2004 perfect? No. I just can't see anything better coming along so I think I'll be sticking with FS2004 for a very long time to come.

    Anyone looking to jump the FS2004 ship???
    I'm with you Mark. I'm interested from the videos BUT history has a way of repeating its self. It looks unless you have 500 mb internet minimum with a server room in you house, you wont get all the features shown in the videos.

    LETS GO PENS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    Many FS2004 users stick with this sim for very specific reasons.

    I'm just curious who has used FS2004 for years now but is closely looking at moving to the new sim?

    Myself, can't express how NOT appealing it is. I'll be losing many things I already have and enjoy in FS2004 for starters. I'm also not a fan of photo anything as photo anything will always be plagued with issues so the new terrain does little for me. Being a 2D panel freak, the chances are reasonable you won't even have them in the default aircraft in MSFS.

    Cost, it's not a deal breaker but despite some discussions elsewhere, cost imo will be higher for MSFS than any other flight sim especially if you like to deck it out with payware. Just take weather for example. MSFS will come with what is realistically nothing more than a fixed Jeppesen. As per past flight sim versions, for historic weather or added weather features you will likely need to look elsewhere.

    Is FS2004 perfect? No. I just can't see anything better coming along so I think I'll be sticking with FS2004 for a very long time to come.

    Anyone looking to jump the FS2004 ship???
    That's great that FS2004 suits your requirements/needs, but like many, I am extremely excited about the new version.

    I use FS2004, FSX and X-Plane, but you can never have too many sims in my opinion.

    As an individual who has travelled extensively the past 50 years, and one with a keen interest on geography, I can't wait to explore the world on offer!

    W33
    X-Plane 11, P3D. 32GB RAM, i7 8700k, 1080Ti, Oculus Rift, 1TB SSD

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    I'm not switching:

    * Pretty happy with fs9.
    * Afraid of something new and adjustment period.
    * Don't trust Microsoft today to deliver a product that works. Latest Office I have to put up with at work is a POS.
    * System requirements include Windows 10. That alone is a deal breaker. I'm stuck with Windows 10 and work and hate it.

    Nadlzfw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    Many FS2004 users stick with this sim for very specific reasons.

    I'm just curious who has used FS2004 for years now but is closely looking at moving to the new sim?

    Myself, can't express how NOT appealing it is. I'll be losing many things I already have and enjoy in FS2004 for starters. I'm also not a fan of photo anything as photo anything will always be plagued with issues so the new terrain does little for me. Being a 2D panel freak, the chances are reasonable you won't even have them in the default aircraft in MSFS.

    Cost, it's not a deal breaker but despite some discussions elsewhere, cost imo will be higher for MSFS than any other flight sim especially if you like to deck it out with payware. Just take weather for example. MSFS will come with what is realistically nothing more than a fixed Jeppesen. As per past flight sim versions, for historic weather or added weather features you will likely need to look elsewhere.

    Is FS2004 perfect? No. I just can't see anything better coming along so I think I'll be sticking with FS2004 for a very long time to come.

    Anyone looking to jump the FS2004 ship???


    I might be interested in checking out the comments from folks after the final product is released. I will take a wait and see attitude. I too am a 2D panel fan as I hate virtual cockpits. FS9 works just fine for me. I still have my original FS9 install from when it first came out on an old Win XP HDD. I have a lot of add ons and I backup this HDD on a regular basis. I tried FS9 on Windows 10 and it worked until the Win 10 1903 update. Now it won't load at all. I get an error that my computer has run out of memory. I have a 4TB HDD and only 2.5TB is used. I also have 16GB of RAM. I don't trust any new FS on Windows 10 at this point. Again I'll take a wait and see attitude.

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    An interesting thread indeed.
    So, from the top:
    Skywatcher12:
    1. The new terrain does nothing for you? You prefer the scenery of FS2004 to what we have seen? (VFR world wide?)
    2. Cost? We have no idea at all, speculation only, on what the costs will be.
    3. Weather: I'm sure that you must have seen the weather video's, with realistic raindrops, cloud layers, shadows, etc?
    4. Jumping FS2004?: No need to jump the ship. You can always have more than one simulator.

    W33:
    Well said indeed. This is probably the most exciting thing happening to our hobby.

    nadlzfw:
    Thanks for sharing.
    Afraid of something new? Be brave, very brave.
    You dont trust Microsoft? (try Linux then).
    Obviously the sim is for Windows 10. I'm sure Microsoft will not develop for an obsolete operating system that will shortly be not supported security wise.

    bam1220:


    Interesting that you dont trust Microsoft with any new sim, can you justify that statement?
    I also have the latest Windows 10 update, 1903 build 18362.449, and my 7 different installs of FS2004 work perfectly.

    If your sim does not work in Windows 10, have you followed the instructions here?
    https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showt...to-your-NEW-PC

    you say that you have 16GB RAM, I have 8GB. I have a Asus laptop, i5 8520u core, 1T hard drive.

    FS2004 is a 32bit program, running within a 64bit operating system.
    A 32bit program can ONLY address 4GB RAM, including the RAM of you graphics card. So your 16GB RAM is more useful for multitasking!

    To help this, have a look at https://ntcore.com/?page_id=371
    Download & run the 4GB patch

    This very little tool patches x86 executables in order to let them have 4GB (instead of only 2) of virtual memory on x64 platforms. This tool comes very handy for applications which need a great amount of virtual memory like games, 3D renderization, multimedia etc. To gain these 2GB, you just have to use this tool to patch the executable (*.exe file) of the software you want to have these additional GBs of virtual memory. It can be used by clicking on it and choosing the file or through command line (e.g.: “4gb_patch file.exe”). It automatically creates a backup copy of the original executable.

    Why things are this way on x64 is easy to explain. On x86 applications have 2GB of virtual memory out of 4GB (the other 2GB are reserved for the system). On x64 these two other GB can now be accessed by 32bit applications. In order to achieve this, a flag has to be set in the file’s internal format. This is, of course, very easy for insiders who do it every day with the CFF Explorer. This tool was written because not everybody is an insider, and most probably a lot of people don’t even know that this can be achieved.

    It is interesting to read that naysayers have already made their minds up, about a sim that will only be released in a year's time.
    Robin
    Cape Town, South Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    Many FS2004 users stick with this sim for very specific reasons. Anyone looking to jump the FS2004 ship???
    I go back to Bruce Artwick/Sublogic on the Commodore 64 then A320 and ATP and on to MSFS. As each version of the latter was released I had no hesitation in moving on.

    By the time FS2004 arrived I had already spent years putting together a longed-for flight deck with the keyboard redundant and replaced by switches and levers, yoke, pedals, autopilot, radios, etc. FS2004 was the icing on the cake.

    For me, flying on one screen with the panel taking up half of it had long since become a no-no and I’d never go back to that. Having the big screen (plus large Fresnel lens) for outside view with the home-made instrument panels (FS Panel Studio) on extra screens below was the only way to go.

    Hundreds of addons (Scenery, Mesh, FS Nav, FSMeteo/Active Sky, World of AI, etc, etc) have added huge extra enjoyment.

    Like everyone else I was looking forward to the new version, FSX. Unfortunately, it proved to be no more than a stutter-fest – even on Microsoft’s own computers on their stand at a flightsim show in the UK. I never bought into it and, as well as that, MS itself gave up on it and, later on, further embarrassed itself with Flight.

    I’ve no interest in P3D or XPlane. As time went by I built faster flight sim PC's a few times but still running on Windows XP Pro SP3. At each upgrade I just imaged the existing drive and restored it to a new HDD or subsequently, SSD. It runs flawlessly every time with all sliders to the right. It’s a boot up, open the flight deck door and go fly situation. No messing about with settings and with smooth flight every time.

    So, to answer Skywatcher12.

    If the new MSFS can do all that for me I could be in but I have grave doubts about that.

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    bam1220:


    Interesting that you dont trust Microsoft with any new sim, can you justify that statement?
    I also have the latest Windows 10 update, 1903 build 18362.449, and my 7 different installs of FS2004 work perfectly.

    If your sim does not work in Windows 10, have you followed the instructions here?
    https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showt...to-your-NEW-PC

    you say that you have 16GB RAM, I have 8GB. I have a Asus laptop, i5 8520u core, 1T hard drive.

    FS2004 is a 32bit program, running within a 64bit operating system.
    A 32bit program can ONLY address 4GB RAM, including the RAM of you graphics card. So your 16GB RAM is more useful for multitasking!

    To help this, have a look at https://ntcore.com/?page_id=371
    Download & run the 4GB patch

    This very little tool patches x86 executables in order to let them have 4GB (instead of only 2) of virtual memory on x64 platforms. This tool comes very handy for applications which need a great amount of virtual memory like games, 3D renderization, multimedia etc. To gain these 2GB, you just have to use this tool to patch the executable (*.exe file) of the software you want to have these additional GBs of virtual memory. It can be used by clicking on it and choosing the file or through command line (e.g.: “4gb_patch file.exe”). It automatically creates a backup copy of the original executable.

    Why things are this way on x64 is easy to explain. On x86 applications have 2GB of virtual memory out of 4GB (the other 2GB are reserved for the system). On x64 these two other GB can now be accessed by 32bit applications. In order to achieve this, a flag has to be set in the file’s internal format. This is, of course, very easy for insiders who do it every day with the CFF Explorer. This tool was written because not everybody is an insider, and most probably a lot of people don’t even know that this can be achieved.

    It is interesting to read that naysayers have already made their minds up, about a sim that will only be released in a year's time.[/QUOTE]


    By not trusting any new MS sim on Windows 10 I mean that with each new update MS seems to screw up the functioning of games and other programs. I read it everywhere in the Windows 10 forums. I also have proof because my FS9 will no longer work after the 1903 upgrade. So I don't trust MS and I believe a future upgrade might just mess up the new flight sim through their crappy updates.
    I have tried all of the suggestions you listed as well as many more. I had a perfectly good FS9 running on Windows 10 until the 1903 update. I don't trust MS to keep things working. That's what I meant.

    PS I have no idea why the quote system in this forum did not work. Sorry for the included mess above my reply. I did click on reply with quote.
    Last edited by bam1220; 11-05-2019 at 01:26 PM.

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    bam1220 - I downloaded the patch that you referenced:

    To help this, have a look at https://ntcore.com/?page_id=371
    Download & run the 4GB patch

    This actually worked and made a nice improvement on my system when I run FS2004. Thanks for the tip!
    Brigadier General Frank Savage
    918th Bomb Group "Hard Luck Group"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    An interesting thread indeed.
    So, from the top:
    Skywatcher12:
    1. The new terrain does nothing for you? You prefer the scenery of FS2004 to what we have seen? (VFR world wide?)
    Correct. You are drooling over the girl with her makeup on. I look forward to having a quality giggle reading the sooking on these forums in a couple of years when the makeup comes off.
    I like seasons, I like flying world tours, lower quality consistent graphics bother me far less than graphics with flaws, errors or incomplete. If you think about some of those things you should work out what I mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    2. Cost? We have no idea at all, speculation only, on what the costs will be.
    We don't know specific pricing.
    You can be guaranteed base game will cost you more than FS9 or FSX did.
    You can be guaranteed you will have plenty of pricey add-ons.
    It is not even safe to assume things MS state they may implement at a later date will be free. If, and that's a pretty major IF, seasons do at some point become available, you may very well have to pay an ORBX Global price for them if not more. This is modern gaming! Things rarely come in a free downloadable patch these days! Where there is opportunity...lol

    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    3. Weather: I'm sure that you must have seen the weather video's, with realistic raindrops, cloud layers, shadows, etc?
    Still can't fly over a blanket of white fluffy clouds it appears 15 years on from FSX. Yeah, we get some new cloud formations represented by blurry, super saturated, super contrasty, blown out highlight clouds that appear as pasted in as a 70's sci-fi movie. From what has been shown, the clouds have gone seriously backwards!
    Then comes the real time weather. Totally looking forward to midday flights and watching the morning fog roll in! lol

    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    4. Jumping FS2004?: No need to jump the ship. You can always have more than one simulator.
    I use the one I think is the best. No interest in using the others.

    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    Obviously the sim is for Windows 10. I'm sure Microsoft will not develop for an obsolete operating system that will shortly be not supported security wise.
    Windows 10 was purely created to take your $$$ and give them to MS.

    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    It is interesting to read that naysayers have already made their minds up, about a sim that will only be released in a year's time.
    Is this not what the fanboys have done as well??? lol

    I'm using reasoning. If they removed seasons, historic weather, ATC, customized AI from my FS9 I'd dump that too! The fanboys will preach about MSFS even if they remove the planes!
    Last edited by Skywatcher12; 11-05-2019 at 09:22 PM.
    Mark Daniels

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