GhostTown

totally disagree. Flying without VR is like going back to FS4!

Thank you!

This video says it all.

This is one of the best videos I have come across that shows the key differences when flying VR. He too had a cockpit build, and used trackIR before going full VR.

If you post this video for all the naysayers to see then I will stop posting about VR because all I will have to do is reference this video.

It's still very much debatable. To be truly realistic VR needs to include a full haptic feedback system, otherwise you're just inside a virtual world that you cannot realistically interact with. At the present state of technology, I'd rather be in a room surrounded by monitors using actual knobs and buttons to interact with the aircraft - to me that would be more realistic.

Interesting point of view and a valid argument. However, I had a full physical panel with 10 working instruments (saitek FIPS) and that was exactly my concern pre VR...BUT now I prefer VR even with the hand controllers over a physical panel because I am learning how each plane actually operates...with my old physical panel it was one size fits all...didn't matter if I flew a cub, Cessna, Mooney or 737...same panel and yoke so not realistic.

To me it looks dumb and nothing like real life. Nothing to hate other then it’s unrealistic view. But whatever you like I suppose.

I like chilled tequila but some hate it.

So staring at monitors surrounded by your basement looks like real life to you? VR is the most realistic flight sim experience available unless you have a full wrap around view home built replica cockpit. By replica I mean you have the actual yoke, throttle body etc and instrumentation of the actual plane you are flying...not just some mashup. This is not debatable it is fact.

Knock it off with the "haters" language and using it to completely disregard opposing points of view. It quite frankly reflects poorly on the person throwing it around. Many people have posted very legitimate opinions on why VR doesn't work for them. That you can't understand them, does not make them haters in any way.

You're right...haters is too broad a stroke . I will say then don't listen to the clique who have not even tried VR on a good system on other sims that offer it such as aerofly, flyinside, and xplane.

Another dumb question, from one that has been out of sims for a long while. What is VR?

 

Thanks

Rich

It's the only way to fly. Don't let the haters dissuade you...once you go VR you never go back. You are basically sitting in the cockpit looking around. It is NOT anything like trackir so don't listen to these claims. Try it...it's so good that as good as MSFT 2020 looks, I have zero interest until they release a VR version.

Well said! But again, anything that makes sense seems to be wasted when dealing with true believers! There is even an "Ark Park" in the US where a few people from all over the world come to look at a building built on a concrete foundation. Which is called "The Ark"!!

 

Inside these shills are told the universe is only 6,000 years old and that men kind packed dino. eggs onto the ark, so they would be "saved" from the flood as well. However even the true believers have never agreed where the "Ark" left from nor where it arrived after those "forty days and forty nights!"

 

Ark Park goers and many other groups of fanatics who yell at everyone else are scared to death to ever consider anything that disagrees with their closely held beliefs. The more I see and hear from VR fanatics, I tend to worry they may be as scared of facts as those who believe the universe is only 6,000 years +/- old. Or, right about now, those who preach that the current worldwide virus is just a pre election scare tactic staged by "Enemies of Freedom" to impact the presidential election results in the United States!

Hey ark park has VR! How's that for ironic?

Sounds good.

 

These threads seem to have evolved into a binary choice, you like vr or you don’t and each side has subjective reasons why they feel the way they do.

 

Here are the facts:

 

-Microsoft will not be launching the simulator with vr capability

-Microsoft has not formally stated that Vr will be supported at any point in the future

-There is not a sub-forum here for vr, or any other features that do not exist at this time for that matter.

-There are suitable communication boards where those, who are so inclined, can contribute feedback, just not here, not now.

 

After the release of the new sim, these threads will pass to the bottom, just like all the others that came before it, and that I assure you is fact.

Not if people keep replying...these threads will be back on top.

https://uploadvr.com/ms-flight-sim-2020-vr-high-priority/

Sounds like VR version will be sooner rather than later.

Better get that VR forum ready otherwise this forum will be buried in VR topics.

Do you really think MSFT is going to be the only major flight simulator on the market without VR? Do you really think they don't want to showcase that scenery in VR? It would be wasted on monitors.

I have very little interest in VR. Playing flight simulator on a 55 inch tv or bigger is fantastic. A wrap around screen or horse shoe set of monitors is also quite life like. And those options are easier to set up and I can still see my keyboard and flight controls.

Dude I had dual projectors and it's not even close to the immersion of VR.

"“It honestly wasn’t our plan [to support VR], but we are listening, and we heard it, so we will try our darnedest to make it happen,” Neumann explains"

https://www.roadtovr.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-dev-will-try-darnedest-make-vr-support-happen/

There is an army of VR enthusiasts and MS is trying to accommodate us. If they don't support VR they will be the only major platform in the flight sim market who doesn't. So the questions isn't if...it's when and how good will they make it.

It's not my opinion, it's historical fact - VR has been 'on the cusp of mass adoption' by gamers since the early 1990's and it hasn't happened yet. Few gamers liked the headset at launch, and few like it now. The headset itself is what needs to evolve, and it obviously can't or they'd have changed it long before now. Therefore VR will only ever appeal to a minority, as it has always done, while other technologies will be developed which make VR obsolete.

The only thing that makes VR obsolete is a holodeck like in star trek or a real plane.

One eye closed for a moment is NOT the same as being without an eye or as having a lazy eye or other eye impairment. Try to see someone else's viewpoint instead of trying to force yours on everyone else.

I can do a whole flight with one eye closed no problem...still looks amazing. Not sure what the difference is. Whatever it is it will be the same with everything not just VR. But if some people can't use VR I get that...but just because they can't use it doesn't take away from it. It's still the most realistic option out there even if they don't use it.

Likewise here. I have a lazy left eye (it can't even read the top letter at the opticians) which can't be corrected by glasses. I am okay to drive as the right eye compensates but I would imagine VR would not be very effective. In addition I am prone to severe optical disturbances if I focus on a close point for any length of time (possibly a variation on optical migraine, but unable to get an appointment at the hospital eye clinic to confirm due to ongoing Covid-19) so I am not about to try anything that might aggravate or trigger that.

 

Finally my wife already complains about getting my attention when on the PC, so wearing a VR headset is unlikely to improve her view of that...

Sounds like you need VR more than I do :)

Not sure about your specific case but VR works fine with one eye closed.

"Now we have VR"

We've had VR since 1994. Plenty of time to make our own choice. Some said yes, most said no. OK?

 

"You all act like VR is going to stop evolving."

It has stopped evolving. It still uses headsets which most people dislike and don't want to use. OK?

https://virtualspeech.com/blog/history-of-vr

So let's get this straight...in your opinion, VR for some reason...even though it is in THE most competitive space (gaming) and is on the cusp of mass adoption with FB touting their own VR product...is suddenly, out of nowhere, going to stop evolving? You really want to stand by that statement? You really want your place in history with the guy who doubted the internet would catch on?

How well will VR work if you are a cyclops like me? I have only one working eye due to cancer, my state allows me to drive, but my insurance rate is double because of it. Driving is not really a problem other than occasional depth perception issues and drive throughs some things just requires two eyes.

I posted this earlier when another member was asking.

Actually no. I just tested it with one eye closed and it looks the same. It looked just like it would if I were flying in the real world with one eye closed. I guess you don't get the same depth perception just like you wouldn't in the real world, but that would be more realistic anyway. Honestly I couldn't tell any difference with one eye or with both eyes as far as the VR experience.

Tried it numerous times. Limitations remain as when it was launched, prinipaly res, field of view and sustainable frame rate..

What are any advantages, here and now?

Advantages here and now? Of course the headset fov will improve, as will the size I imagine, even though it is very comfortable as is. If everyone was like you nothing would ever improve because nobody would buy anything. Did people complain about the graphics in the commordore 64 FS? No...it was awesome at the time. We all knew that it was nothing like real life but we all played it. Now we have VR and you are quiblling over the fact that you have a tiny black border around the edge even though you can look around 360 degrees? Come on man...you know that is going to get fixed in upcoming versions. You all act like VR is going to stop evolving. As it is its better than any other options by FAR...in the coming years it will be the only option.

PEOPLE we have gone from lines on screen to SITTING INSIDE A WORKING COCKPIT SURROUNDED BY PHOTO REALISTIC SCENERY!

Very true, but it's surely debatable that VR is actually an advance to Flight Simulation? Headsets appear and disappear with alarming speed - buyers risk spending hundreds on a headset to find it's being discontinued before the warranty has run out. Facebook will drop its Oculus Go later this year, as reported in this article on ZDNet this week: https://www.zdnet.com/article/vendors-face-the-tough-reality-of-affordable-vr/

This is why fb is ending production of the Oculus Go...they have a newer model.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/18/oculus-surpasses-100-million-in-quest-content-sales/

To those who do enjoy their VR simming, by all means knock yourselves out - before VR gets banned because people keep knocking themselves out... ;)

I'm not sure how one could knock themselves out sitting in a simulator.

This just tells me you have never tried VR, and you are only going by old FAIL youtube videos. If you have tried VR today, you would know that you set up a "guardian" play area by drawing in a play space up to 25'x25' that should you leave it will suddenly bring the room into view for you. Yes it's that cool, you can actually walk around in the game now.

Here knock yourself out with this demonstration:

How do you read real world charts while wearing the VR gadget?

It's called a virtual tablet. I don't think many pilots break out the paper maps anymore...everything is on a tablet. VR is the same.

How do you respond to someone coming into the room to tell you something? Do they have to come tap you on the shoulder to get your attention?

You still have ears lol.

How do you find the right key on the keyboard when something you need isn't on your VR panel and isn't assigned to your stick/throttle/whatever?

Do you have keyboard assignments in a real plane? Why would I need keyboard assignments in VR when all the buttons on the airplane

work? I never used keyboard assignments even with regular cockpit.

And how do you make use of peripheral vision (yes, you can with TrackIR) in your VR gadget?

Uh...you look to your left or right? Have you tried VR or what?

I think you guys need to actually try VR before trying to argue against it...you are really lobbing me up softballs here. :cool:

It's a shame you learned nothing from that.

 

It's not so much that people hate VR, rather they hate they way YOU present it. You still seem to have trouble separating opinion from fact.

So what about that VR forum? Also, can you just merge both accounts? Ghosttown is my old one I had on my phone...honestly I didn't even notice when it auto logged me in that it was a different account until I posted. I believe vbulletin has a merge feature to put all my posts/topics under one username. Can I use Vrdude instead?

Tim,

 

Don't waste your time and efforts. Facts are never accepted by someone is trying to bully others into agreeing with their already made decisions!

 

Besides he/she may look better wearing that VR mask! ;)

 

Michael

What are you talking about? I'm just asking him to clarify because what he's saying doesn't make any sense.

Have you tried VR?

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. That was the problem back in the 90's, it's the problem today and it'll be the problem for the foreseeable future. By the way, Microsoft have NOT confirmed VR support for MSFS as reported by this VR website on Monday this week: https://www.roadtovr.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-dev-will-try-darnedest-make-vr-support-happen/

I still don't get why you think that is a problem? That is the whole point of VR. I don't want to be flying around my basement...I want to be flying around Hawaii or wherever I'm at. Why would you need to see the room while you're flying around? Do you want to watch tv while you're flying?

Have you tried VR?

Evidently you take lack of enthusiasm for hate, instead of more like indifference or perhaps waiting 'til it gets lots better. You also seem to have trouble understanding anyone else's viewpoint.

 

Your approach to this whole thing turns most people off, rather than getting them on your side. THink it over.

Hey I was just as hyped about trackir when it came out...and I recall getting the same opposition back then. Every one can have an opinion, and they can choose to fly however they like. But facts are facts and the fact is VR is the closest and most affordable option for a realistic flying experience. And before anyone says about the dudes who build full on replicas in their garage...90% of the enjoyment with a homebuild is the build, not the flying. If you ask any homebuilder he spends more time "buying" and not "flying". AND with YAW VR you can have a full motion VR experience too without all the cost, time and maintenance.

That's the best part about VR...you get back to flying.

Yes there will be great improvements in technology, but a wrap-around field of view will still effectively blindfold the wearer. VR seems to be stuck with the headset format, no matter what technology evolves over the decades. Thanks for the Mandalorian link, I think that's a technology which holds far more promise than VR.

What are you talking about???? Are you saying the problem with VR is you can't see around the room your sitting in while playing? The whole point is you are looking around the cockpit and the VR world.