mabe5454 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Never seen this last instruction in the instruction. What I might suppose to do? Do I have to do that on my own or is ATC directing me and it is letting me know in advance? FSX, it gets better with age. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 This is just a minor hole in the default ATC logic as a result of rounding errors. When these happen, just do what you know is right. The ATC is not keeping score. Since you are only 10 degrees off the approach course to the runway, and only 1 degree off the course the ATC wants, just keep what you have until you get the next vector to turn toward the runway. -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabe5454 Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well I'm guessing it had all figure it out except I do not know how to best proceed... since it is the first time ever... ??? Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I get that type of message from ATC when they have given me an approach (Normally a visual approach) to a runway and I've changed it to an ILS approach. Occasionally they give you what you want or they are pigheaded and tell you to approach but then circle to land where they first wanted you to go. Makes you crazy, Huh? Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabe5454 Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yes, I landed but I couldn't stop within the runway I had left. That instruction was really off. I scraped the whole flight. I'll do it again but I will know now the it is a fancy fluke. Good old fun nevertheless. Thanks, Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomTweak Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 My father flew for many many many years for UAL out of SFO. I went on more than a few with him (I love to fly!) and you have no idea what memories the words "United xyz Heavy, expect ILS for runway...blah blah blah" conjure up for me... Pat☺ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Had a thought...then there was the smell of something burning, and sparks, and then a big fire, and then the lights went out! I guess I better not do that again! Sgt, USMC, 10 years proud service, Inactive reserve now :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 First rule of flying. Do not obey ANY instruction given to you by ATC or anyone else which causes improper control of the aircraft. The ATC is STUPID AI. You are supposed to be the smart one. -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabe5454 Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I get that type of message from ATC when they have given me an approach (Normally a visual approach) to a runway and I've changed it to an ILS approach. Occasionally they give you what you want or they are pigheaded and tell you to approach but then circle to land where they first wanted you to go. Makes you crazy, Huh? Yes, it does. Specially when loosing your landing perspective and preparation. It all went to hell in a hand basket very, very fast. ATC brought me to the wrong side of the airport to ask me for left downwind, runway 1R, me think Oh well. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringBean Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 ATC is limited in that it can only give you approaches that are coded into the sim when you are flying IFR. What was the weather at the time??? It must have been winds from the north. Were there clouds? What was the visibility? SFO does not have any approaches to the 1s so ATC was vectoring you to the ILS for 19L. What you should have done was follow the vectors until you were on the localizer and had the runway in site. At that time you would break off of the localizer and enter a left hand pattern for 1R. At all times in the pattern you should keep visual contact with the airport. If you lose visual contact you would declare a missed approach and follow the missed approach procedures. If at any time while on approach to the airport you should happen to be able to see the airport, you could have cancelled IFR and made a straight in visual approach to 1R. Or if you were comfortable with the crosswind component, at the time of your first screenshot you could have chosen "2" and selected one of the 10/28 runways. The 28s both have ILS. Actually, given the limitations of the sim, the ATC performed rather well and as expected. It is not "stupid" and there were no "rounding errors". And if you cannot land a 737 in 8600+ feet, you need to go back to school. peace, the Bean WWOD---What Would Opa Do? Farewell, my freind (sp) Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSkorna Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Circle to Land is a real life maneuver. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_approach Default MS ATC is better than many will have you believe. http://www.air-source.us/images/sigs/000219_195_jimskorna.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabe5454 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 Default MS ATC is better than many will have you believe. You're right. I wouldn't fly FSX without it. So many things they did right and so many they left still to be done. A Shame Really. Thanks. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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