BobSeaman Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I've installed the three carriers around southern Italy from ico_v1.zip by Enzo Calcagni and noticed the FS2004 restart-after-shutdown problem. I also installed the fix files found in icopat10.zip and removed the ai flatten files (another download)for ai traffic and FS will still restart if it loads the scenery files. :confused: I'm running Win10, 64 bit, but this shouldn't matter. Anyone else remember having this problem? :confused: It isn't a deal-breaker on keeping this scenery installed, but I'd like to fix the issue. Maybe its a texture issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSeaman Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 Oh, almost forgot: I'm using Arrcab2.6 for my cables. If you are using the Italian Carriers and Arrcab combo in FS2004, here are the entries you'll need to add to your Arrestor Cables.dat file- [Zone38] CarrierIdent=CVN68 in Naples Gulf FrontRightCornerLat=40.752033 FrontRightCornerLon=14.122124 FrontLeftCornerLat=40.752035 FrontLeftCornerLon=14.121804 BackLeftCornerLat=40.751656 BackLeftCornerLon=14.121792 BackRightCornerLat=40.751653 BackRightCornerLon=14.122119 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=360 DeckAltInFeet=92 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.8 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=360 [Zone39] CarrierIdent=CVN68 - Cagliari FrontRightCornerLat=38.553413 FrontRightCornerLon=8.940600 FrontLeftCornerLat=38.553307 FrontLeftCornerLon=8.940877 BackLeftCornerLat=38.552921 BackLeftCornerLon=8.940636 BackRightCornerLat=38.553028 BackRightCornerLon=8.940358 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=206 DeckAltInFeet=92 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.8 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=92 [Zone40] CarrierIdent=CVN68 - Adriatic Sea FrontRightCornerLat=41.991694 FrontRightCornerLon=17.515992 FrontLeftCornerLat=41.991484 FrontLeftCornerLon=17.516099 BackLeftCornerLat=41.991518 BackLeftCornerLon=17.516537 BackRightCornerLat=41.991727 BackRightCornerLon=17.516500 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=262 DeckAltInFeet=92 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.8 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=263 I've kept the Zone## s intact for trouble shooting. If you want to add them to your Arrcab dat file, MAKE SURE you open the file with Notepad and change the Zone ## sequence as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSeaman Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) Well, that turned out to be an easy fix. :cool: I downloaded and ran DXTFixerX v2.3 and the wind.bmp texture was the culprit. :D UPDATE: Or, maybe not. :rolleyes: I just tried some shots and traps and the restart-after-shutdown problem is back. To be fair, I have a LOT of scenery loaded so I'll just keep playing around with it and see if anything turns up. :pilot: Edited May 15, 2021 by BobSeaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjwalter Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I've never heard of this problem before, so just for my own correct understanding, what you're saying is that when you shut your FS9 down (= exit the game) it completely automatically re-starts again. This does not happen when you've temporarily de-activated your carrier scenery and have flown any other non carrier related flights, pre-saved or not ? A further question: If your FS9 keeps re-starting after shutdown, how do you shut it down completely ? Do you pull your machine's plug ? A bad texture as being part of any active scenery, can certainly cause a system crash or hang when being called apon by the related BGL file but certainly not an automatic re-start after a complete FS9 shutdown. In the meantime I will download and (test-)install your carriers to see if I can replicate your problem. However I'm using Win7 64bit but that should not really be any different when Win10 is being used, at least not with your kind of basic problem. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSeaman Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 What happens is if FS uses the Italian carriers, when I shut it down the sim will restart. When I shut it down again its fine and stays shut down. Again, not a super big deal if the scenery loads in FS. Meanwhile, I was able to snag a copy of Abby's Flight Deck 5 on EBay :cool:. It isn't ground breaking by FSX or even FS9 standards, but hey, any carrier is a good carrier. :pilot: If you have FD5 sitting in a closet somewhere, I plotted and tested the cable locations for Arrcab2.6 (any version of Arrcab, really) and verified that everything works. Just highlite, copy, and add the following to your Arrcab Arrestor Cables.dat file: [ZoneXX] CarrierIdent=CVN-78 in the Indian Ocean FrontRightCornerLat=17.349709 FrontRightCornerLon=86.642003 FrontLeftCornerLat=17.349548 FrontLeftCornerLon=86.641747 BackLeftCornerLat=17.349333 BackLeftCornerLon=86.641789 BackRightCornerLat=17.349342 BackRightCornerLon=86.642036 DeckAltInFeet=67.0 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.4 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=350 [ZoneXX] CarrierIdent=CVN-78 in the English Channel FrontRightCornerLat=51.073859 FrontRightCornerLon=1.492305 FrontLeftCornerLat=51.073854 FrontLeftCornerLon=1.491916 BackLeftCornerLat=51.073496 BackLeftCornerLon=1.491968 BackRightCornerLat=51.073570 BackRightCornerLon=1.492347 DeckAltInFeet=67.0 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.4 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=350 [ZoneXX] CarrierIdent=CVN-78 off San Diego FrontRightCornerLat=32.609242 FrontRightCornerLon=-117.685582 FrontLeftCornerLat=32.609183 FrontLeftCornerLon=-117.685848 BackLeftCornerLat=32.608865 BackLeftCornerLon=-117.685803 BackRightCornerLat=32.608895 BackRightCornerLon=-117.685482 DeckAltInFeet=67.0 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.4 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=350 [ZoneXX] CarrierIdent=CVN-78 in the Persian Gulf FrontRightCornerLat=29.849160 FrontRightCornerLon=48.736147 FrontLeftCornerLat=29.849128 FrontLeftCornerLon=48.735887 BackLeftCornerLat=29.848817 BackLeftCornerLon=48.735947 BackRightCornerLat=29.848863 BackRightCornerLon=48.736249 DeckAltInFeet=67.0 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.4 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=350 [ZoneXX] CarrierIdent=CVN-73 off Pearl Harbor FrontRightCornerLat=21.166279 FrontRightCornerLon=-157.958717 FrontLeftCornerLat=21.166137 FrontLeftCornerLon=-157.958968 BackLeftCornerLat=21.165949 BackLeftCornerLon=-157.958956 BackRightCornerLat=21.165980 BackRightCornerLon=-157.958734 DeckAltInFeet=67.0 CableCatchZoneHeightInFeet=2.4 RunwayHeadingInDegreesMag=350 Same numbering convention as before, change XX to the next number in your .dat file and only use Notepad to edit the .dat. Wire locations were verified using Nav.exe and were based on slewing a helo around the deck and setting the main rotor directly above the deck pulleys. Now, go catch a 3 wire. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjwalter Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Bob, I downloaded/installed your three Italian carriers and they all presented themselves normally but rather devoid of so called "eye candy". However, after sitting on each of their flight decks in one of my test aircraft and then shutting my FS9 down, there were no automatic re-starts. I took a good look at each carrier Afcad file and found them to be rather strange in their basic designs. E.g. They had no runway(s) which are basically needed for hardening their complete flight decks. They only had very small as "runway" specified rectangular areas, spread out on different parts of them. I found their flight decks not to be hard under all circumstances. The only "problem" I found concerning the "Wind.bmp" texture file, was that it had no alpha channel. However, setting it's alpha channel did not improve anything, at least not visibly, nor did it cause/solve any automatic FS9 re-starts. After trying and testing some more but without being able to replicate your automatic re-starts, I finally give up and deleted everything. For many years I've been using an old but very well made carrier named "Waikato" situated off the East coast of New Zealand's North Island. Why there ? Because it has a land Air Force base named "Whenuapai AFB" (NZWP), situated a short distance away and which makes them both ideal for short flights between them, using military jets, helicopters, etc. Not only that but I've also set up Rob Barendregt's catapult and cable trapping systems on an Air Force Base named "Patuxent River NAS" (KNHK) in the USA. I use this for practicing my carrier flight operations. Regards and happy landings. Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSeaman Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) Hans; Thanks for taking a look at it. :pilot: I'm closing in on 50 "trap" zones for Arrcab (carriers plus the NOLF zones near Norfolk and one at NAS Fallon) and I think I'm getting close to some upper limits. ;) I'm on the fence at the moment if I'll add the two zones for NAS LeMoore. :confused: I have the MAIW LeMoore package installed and its tempting to add them but I always thought of LeMoore more as a strike training base vs a place to work on carrier quals. With the Italian Carriers, if it becomes a problem I can always leave the scenery installed but de-activate it in my scenery.cfg file. :cool: Edited May 16, 2021 by BobSeaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjwalter Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just an afterthought. When starting up your FS9 for the first time after switching on your rig, do you need to start your FS9 up twice before it actually opens ? If so, you may have a registry problem, which has been handled in this forum about two years ago. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSeaman Posted May 17, 2021 Author Share Posted May 17, 2021 No, everything else is fine. I used the non-traditional install location of C:/FS9 but things start normally and its only those carriers that cause the odd shut-down issue. If you need any wire locations for Arrcab or the other trapping software/gauges just post and I'll see it. :cool: One carrier I almost forgot about with an odd issue you might want to experience, find the USS Kitty Hawk for FS2000 by the CORAL team. It installed with some minor deck crew hassles and it is much older software but at least it installs. I figured out the cable zone and the deck height and was happily snagging wires south of Tokyo but then the wires stopped working. :confused: Turned out that I had updated the weather and the wind direction changed. :eek: The carrier and its escorts always face into the wind but the deck goodies and the ILS don't. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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