I will try that Chuck thanks , follow up haft hour latter trying to work on that I didn't have this problem until I up graded win 7 or when I rein stalled because of a computer crash, I understand your way of making this program worked... when hover control was active I new someone from England and he would go in to my computer and fix all the crazy things I did wrong so will have to look in to that again, meal while like you said, try different ways to make this happen ...again thank you ....