aerofoto

You'd have got a quicker answer had you posted on the HJG forum .... where you've apparently obtained these files

That's where the expertise associated with the file version you're apparently accessed is located.

Only seen this posting now ....  stumbled upon it by accident.

Can verify there's nothing wrong with the any of the HJG supplied TRIDENT files.

All TRIDENT files (in fact all HJG supplied DMFS files) are FSX portable.

Basic FSX installation procedure/s are as follows ....

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1.TRIDENT

BASE PACKS FSX INSTALLATION

 

The CFG file named "AIRCRAFT" is exclusively for FS2004 use only.

The CFG file named "AIRCRAFT FSX" is exclusively for FSX use only. 

FS2004 users must use the "AIRCRAFT" named CFG file  .... this CFG is active and ready for FS2004 use by default. 

FSX users must delete the default FS2004 CFG .... then select the "AIRCRAFT FSX" named CFG file and rename it to read "AIRCRAFT".

PLEASE NOTE: The FLTSIM.XX data for each of the 3X included textures is already incorporated into both FS specific AIRCRAFT.CFG versions.

FS2004 users must install this HS121 TRIDENT 1 V1 aircraft base pack inside the Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Aircraft folder.

FSX users must install this HS121 TRIDENT 1 V1 aircraft base pack inside the Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes folder.
 

2.TRIDENT PANEL/S

FSX INSTALLATION:
 
1. Install the DMFS SHARED FILES folder with its contents (3X sub folders named .... HS121 TRIDENT PANEL, HS121 TRIDENT PANEL VC FSDS3, and HS121 TRIDENT DOCUMENTATION) inside the Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes folder. "DO NOT" separate the HS121 TRIDENT PANEL, HS121 TRIDENT PANEL VC FSDS3, and DOCUMENTATION folders (or their contents) from the DMFS SHARED FILES folder .... install these folders intact and precisely as supplied and instructed.
 
PLEASE NOTE: If one's Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes folder directory already consists of a DMFS SHARED FILES folder from installation of the original versions of these panels .... then .... open this folder and delete the original HS121 TRIDENT PANEL, HS121 TRIDENT PANEL VC FSDS3, and DOCUMENTATION folders and replace them with these updated folders.

****BE CAREFUL WITH THE FOLLOWING STEPS 2A AND 2B****

2a. Go to your HS121 TRIDENT 1C, HS121 TRIDENT 1E, HS121 TRIDENT 2, HS121 TRIDENT 3, and HS121 TRIDENT SEPER 3B aircraft base pack folders .... open the PANEL folders and their PANEL.CFG files .... and ensure the FLTSIM data appearing in the PANEL.CFG for each HS121 TRIDENT PANEL (only) reads precisely as follows ....

[fltsim]
alias=DMFS Shared Files\HS121 Trident Panel

.... and "SAVE THIS EDIT".
 
2b. Go to your HS121 TRIDENT 1C, HS121 TRIDENT 1E, HS121 TRIDENT 2, HS121 TRIDENT 3, and HS121 TRIDENT SEPER 3B aircraft base pack folders .... open the PANEL VC folders and their PANEL.CFG files .... and ensure the FLTSIM data appearing in PANEL.CFG for each HS121 TRIDENT PANEL VC FSDS3 (only) reads precisely as follows ....

[fltsim]
alias=DMFS Shared Files\HS121 Trident Panel VC FSDS3

.... and "SAVE THIS EDIT".

****BE CAREFUL WITH THE FOLLOWING STEPS 3A AND 3B****

3a. Open the HS121 TRIDENT PANEL folder .... identify the REPLACEMENT FILES FOR FSX folder .... open this folder then select and install its contents (2X files) inside this HS121 TRIDENT PANEL folder only .... and select "OK/YES" to any/all overwrite prompts. 

3b. Open the HS121 TRIDENT PANEL VC FSDS3 folder .... identify the REPLACEMENT FILES FOR FSX VC FSDS3 folder .... open this folder then select and install its contents (2X files) inside the HS121 TRIDENT PANEL VC FSDS3 folder only .... and select "OK/YES" to any/all overwrite prompts. 
 
PLEASE NOTE: "DO NOT" install the content of these REPLACEMENT FILES FOR FSX folders in FS2004.

4. Install the contents of the VC PANEL TEXTURES folder (15 X files) inside the Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Texture folder.

5. Install the contents of the SMOKE EFFECTS FSX ONLY folder (3X files) inside the Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Effects folder.

IMPORTANT NOTES:

The content of the DOCUMENTS folder forms the manual for these TRIDENT panels. In FS2004 (only) this manual may be accessed and viewed via the panel Knee Board facility in these panels. PLEASE NOTE: In FSX it is "not possible" to access and view this manual via the panel Knee Board facility (this is true of the original DMFS release also). FSX users are therefore encouraged to print the content of this manual and refer to it accordingly.

 

"IF" addition help's required then register and post on the HJG forum and your query will be picked quite promptly there.

Understand please it's not really practical for HJG to post support on forums other than its own  .... workloads behind the scenes prevent representatives from being in 2 places at once

MRC

HJG APRIL 2024 RELEASES

HJG (Historic Jetliners Group) has pleasure announcing its release of another 56 "NEW" and "UPGRADED" files for both FS2004 and FSX.

This latest release is entirely composed of textures for the HJG offered B707, B727, B737, BAe 146/ARJ, C-135, DC-9, MD-80, and MD-90 virtual flight line .... this time featuring liveries from Angola, Belgium, Cambodia, Canada, Colombia, France, Indonesia, Malawi, Portugal, Rwanda, Sweden, Switzerland, the UK, the USA, Ukraine, Venezuela, and former Yugoslavia .... for sked/non-sked PAX/air freight, tourist charter, and military service operators covering the 1970's/80's/90's/and present day .... and among which an aeronautical development as well as a scientific research aircraft are also both included .... along with a couple of "concept" aircraft type/livery subjects too that nearly, but ultimately didn't", become a reality due to circumstantial changes within the corporate civil aviation world of the late 1960's and early 2000's.

This's a modest sized release by recent HJG standards but one which is non-the-less composed of some interesting, colourful, and historic aircraft subjects .... whilst work continues with the advancing of other projects slotted for 2024 release.

For further information concerning these latest HJG offerings refer to the groups following forum announcement .....

"HJG New Files Releases - April 2024"
https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/10543/files-releases-april-15th-2024

All this .... and a whole lot more is available for "FREE" download from the HJG website located at the following address :

HISTORIC JETLINERS GROUP (HJG)
https://simviation.com/hjg

MRC
HJG/Historic Jetliners Group

Stuttering with the QW BAe 146 is apparently a known/acknowledged but still unresolved issue as follows (think this's the same product) ....

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/justflight-146-professional-v1-10-xbox-sx-performance-issues/613404/3

https://community.justflight.com/topic/5566/146-v1-10-xboxsx-performance-issues

https://community.justflight.com/topic/3334/stutter-with-the-bae-146

"HJG FIRST FILES FOR 2024"
 
HJG (Historic Jetliners Group) have pleasure announcing its first release/s for this 2024 FS year .... a total of some 102 "NEW" and "UPGRADED" files for both FS2004 and FSX.

This latest release is composed of both "NEW" and "UPGRADED" texture files for the HJG offered B727's, B737's, BAe 146's, C-135's, DC-9's, and MD-80's .... accumulatively representing another a colourful passage through time and aviation history .... featuring both classic and modern definitive, hybrid and celebratory/promotional, and military uniformed liveries from the 1960's, 70's, 80's, and 90's era until the present day .... covering both PAX, freight, and VIP configured aircraft utilized by both civil and military operators from Argentina, Belgium, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, France, Ireland, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, New Caledonia, Nigeria, Paraguay, Peru, Romania, South Africa, UK, and the USA & Hawaii .... and among which a couple of late 1990's era "WHAT IF" aircraft/liveries (that "very nearly", but "eventually didn't", evolve into civil aviation reality due to sudden circumstantial changes within the US corporate aviation world) are also included. 

Bound to be something of interest here for most whom enjoy recreating aviation history within FS2004 and FSX.

In the meantime work also advances on other HJG projects slotted for 2024 release.

For further information concerning these latest HJG offerings refer to the groups following forum announcement .....

"HJG New Files Releases - February 2024"
https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/10501/files-releases-february-12th-2024

All this .... and a great deal more .... is available for "FREE" download from the HJG website located at the following address  ....

HISTORIC JETLINERS GROUP (HJG)
https://simviation.com/hjg

MRC
HJG/Historic Jetliners Group
 

Using either the HJG FS2004 native DC-9 panels (plural) or the FSX native KW DC-9 panel (singular) both the flaps and landing gear can only function if the Hydraulics system is "engaged"/selected "ON " otherwise these items "will not work". This is how these simulations are intended/compiled to work. 

Similar might apply to the PT IL-62 as well but I can't advise in regard to this.

In regard to the DC-9 panels the flaps and landing gear functionality in regard to the Hydraulics system is explained within HJG's forum based manual for these simulations.

PLEASE NOTE THOUGH: HJG only provides support for the FS2004 native DC-9 panels it offers. It does not/cannot support the FSX native KW DC-9 panels although HJG's although HJG's manual should still be mostly useable with this particular panel too.

MRC 

[quote]You can easily mix HJG early jets for the late '50s and early '60s along with the CalClassic propliners[/quote]

Sure can .... and I whole-heartedly agree with "PRROGPHLYER" :)

It makes for a great FS experience .... especially if simulating/replicating that late 1950's era when props began giving way to jet engines.

In this respect I've always regarded both TGCC and HJG as being a sister sites

Tom's scenery is great too .... in fact I used it to create "a period feel" in regard to the following historic flight re-enactment I undertook a few years back ....

BOAC London/Johannesburg Route Re-Enactment 1953/4

https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/8576/boac-london-johannesburg-route-enactment

Only thing I didn't employ though was AI traffic appropriate to the routing flown :(

MRC

Thanks for the kind sentiments guys.

Much appreciated

MRC

[quote]As far as I know the default season ground textures are built into FSX and can only be changed by those who create different ground textures or scenery.

"PHROGPHLYER" is absolutely correct.[/quote]

The seasonal appearance (texture content) of all FS sceneries (that's FS98/2000/2003/2004/and FSX) is always as compiled. It can't be further manipulated to display more than is compiled .... unless the author/s of any scenery choose to or are otherwise persuaded to edit more into what's compiled than is actually first provided.

MRC  

"PHROGPHLYER" .... thanks for going to the trouble of expressing those sentiments. 

It is "appreciated" :)

Get back to us/me on the HJG forum should you need further support .... and I/we'll be glad to try'n help you out

MRC

9 hours ago, LordofGats said:

HJG has lots of 50s-80s Aircraft, and Comet is Among them!
They also have Other Aircraft from Davy.

In respect of the COMET III, IIIB, IV, IVB, IVC and other DMFS simulation (BAC ONE-ELEVEN, HD TRIDENT, and VC10/C1K) .... since obtaining authorization to hos these simulation (during 2021). HJG have not only reinstated all of DM's original textures, but, have also added many more of it's own too and that were not previously represented .... and is contemplating the release of many more textures in the near future as well.

In addition to this .... HJG have since "fixed" all of the known previous issues associated with each the DMFS panels (mostly relating to engine startup and/or APU functionality) and made each properly properly FSX portable whilst retaining their FS2004 functionality too  .... and whilst also adding a few more features to each that were never originally included but without altering DM's concept of how he wanted these panels to look and function.

Some of the DMFS FDE's have also been further improved by HJG .... and both the TRIDENT and VC10 flight lines have been further slightly expanded as well.

On the subject edits for the DMFS panels. HJG is currently outfitting each with a functional WX Radar ..... as is related within the following preview ....

https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/10308/new-wx-radar-dmfs-panels

PLEASE NOTE: The above referenced WX Radar featured panels are still undergoing re-release testing and are not yet publicly available.

These are "older simulations" but the way each were originally compiled is "a credit to DM" and one of the factors that have resulted in their FS longevity to date .... and for those whom have elected to retain either FS2004 and/or FSX there's still "a lot of life left in these simulations yet". Within the boundaries of the 2 FS platforms for which these DMFS simulations are intended  .... this's a length of string HJG can stretch to considerably greater length

MRC

One can put'em in P3D .... but .... just be aware certain animations likely won't work and which is why I prefer saying "not compatible".

[quote]Any chance that HJG might update it to be compatible in P3D?[/quote]

I wish it was as easy as that, but, unfortunately it's not ..... for a multitude of reasons ranging from the lack of source data to proprietary rights etc.

HJG is, and will remain, an FS2004 and FSX show for the duration of its existence.

MRC

[quote]HJG and CalClassic are both available for P3D ....

.... I too have Cal Classic installed in P3D but did not know that HJG could be adapted to P3D also. Is it a complicated procedure to bring HJG into P3D?[/quote]

As a representative of HJG I need to say the (some of the) HJG supplied simulations might load into/display with P3D, but, they're actually not fully compatible (some model animations will not work or won't work properly) .... is the only "honest" statement and is what people need to be aware of. 

There's no resolution for this.

HJG simulations were compatible with the very earliest of P3D versions (V1 and V2 I think), but, that compatibility was lost as P3D progressively advanced to later and its current version.

I've already had this confirmed by another P3D user whom is a senior ADMIN at another FS service.

HJG don't want anyone to be under any false impressions

MRC

For any FS2004 and FSX users whom may be interested .... 

"HJG 23rd Anniversary Birthday Mega-Release".

HJG (Historic Jetliners Group) has pleasure announcing a mega-release in celebration of its 23rd anniversary/birthday.

This's also HJG's first release for the 2023 year.

This latest release is composed of some 270 "NEW" and "UPGRADED" textures for the ARJ/BAe 146, B707, B717-200, B720, B727, B737, BAC ONE-ELEVEN, C-135 SERIES, CV990, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, L-1011 TRISTAR, MD-80/90 virtual flight line currently offered by HJG and for both FS2004 and FSX.

If previous HJG's releases have earned a reputation for being reflective of both time and aviation history, then, this latest release must go down in group history as being "a particularly colourful league of nations" in respect of its geographic/regional aircraft content .... featuring some of the greatest as well as least known among the worlds oldest/most classic and newest civil and military operators, supported by liveries ranging from the mid-1960's until to the present day .... among which a number of celebratory and historic hybrid, split identity, and even fictional retro liveries are also included .... along with "A WHOLE LOT MORE ".

For further information concerning HJG's latest and 23rd anniversary birthday bash offerings please refer to the following-linked forum announcement ....

Forum Announcement:
https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/10284/upgraded-files-releases-april-2023

HJG's located at the following website address:
https://simviation.com/hjg

MRC

"JSMR" is correct .... there's an icom (located among the bank of panel icons .... only if one's using the HJG/PROBST B727 panels) which activates the ventral airstaires anuimation og all HJG supplied B727 3D models

"GRAEMEB" is correct also .... all details relating to the animations within these 3D models is presented within the following-linked forum based B727 manual (SECTION 1:07) ....

https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/7819/b727-panels-installation-handling-notes

.... or as related below ....

[quote]All Door 1 forward fuselage exit folding air stairs, rear fuselage ventral air stairs, and port side forward fuselage main deck cargo door animations (B727-200 SCD subjects only), are controlled per "TAILHOOK, CONCORDE VISOR (EXTEND/RETRACT)", and "WINGFOLD" keyboard commands. These keyboard commands must be "manually assigned" within FS OPTIONS/CONTROLS/ASSIGNMENTS.

- SHIFT + E (open/close Door 1L)
- SHIFT + "CONCORDE VISOR FULLY EXTEND"/F6 (extend folding air stairs)
- SHIFT + "CONCORDE VISOR FULLY RETRACT"/F7 (retract folding air stairs)
- SHIFT + "WINGFOLD" commands (open/close ventral air stairs)
- SHIFT + "TAILHOOK" commands (open/close port side forward fuselage main deck cargo door on all B727-200 freighter/SCD model subjects only .... and starboard side lower forward fuselage cargo hatch on all B727-100 model subjects)

Failure to correctly assign these keyboard commands will result in these animations not functioning.

PLEASE NOTE: The "CONCORDE VISOR FULLY EXTEND/RETRACT" keyboard commands (to animate the folding air stairs at Door 1L) are based on "FS2004 assignments. This animation "cannot" work in FSX. The CONCORDE VISOR commands in FSX are based on a different combination of keyboard assignments .... which "are not" compatible with any of these B727-100/-200 3D models.

PLEASE NOTE ALSO: All HJG supplied PAX version 3D B727-100 V1.0 models feature opening/animated ventral/rear fuselage air stairs and Door 1L forward fuselage exits but no folding air stairs animations (this is how these models were supplied to HJG).

PLEASE NOTE ADDITIONALLY: All HJG supplied freighter/SCD version 3D B727-100 V1.0 models feature opening/animated ventral/rear fuselage air stairs and Door 1L forward fuselage exits but no folding air stairs or port side forward fuselage main deck cargo door animations (again this is how these models were supplied to HJG).[/quote]

In regard to technical support "for HJG simulations only". Always best to log onto the HJG forum for this .... and where all the related resources are located and more easily accessed by those requiring assistance in as much as those providing it also :)

Not easy (sometimes) to provide support on 2, or more/other FS forums .... as queries are often missed. "Just happen to" chance upon this query here today

MRC

The great sites of HJG and CalClassic are up and running

but for how long?

HJG is what it "is" .... and will "remain so". No plans to disappear/close up .... unless it's sponsorship's withdrawn for any reason. Think HJG and CAL CLASSICS may be "the last" of the FS originals by now. HJG's about to hit 23 years of service this year.... and Tom's CAL CLASSICS has been operating even longer.

MRC

I'd go for my HJG/Vistaliners Lockheed L'1011 Ship One. A great classic that feels modern without dullness of modern Boeing & Airbus offerings, which are seemingly all the same.

 

Also, HJG still seem to be steadily plugging away. They recently released their December 2022 holiday update which added several new repaints to their downloads page.

Actually :) .... it was a total of some 106 new and upgraded files that were recently released ;)

Some 60 of which are new and/or upgraded textures .... and among which 2 new L-1011 TRISTAR's liveries were also included.

The rest of the latest/December (2022) HJG release was composed of new sound packs each for the CV880's and CV990's .... plus further updated/improved DC-8 3D models as well ....

https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/10234/christmas-website-update-december-2022?page=1&scrollTo=71654

ANYWAY ....

Glad to read you've obviously been enjoying what's been provided by the group and which does include representation of a lot of sub-aircraft types too .... all of which is (intentionally) compiled to perform slightly differently (in respect of weight, engine thrust, and aerodynamic influences), so, nothing provided among any of the groups virtual flight line functions entirely the same as something else even among the same aircraft types.

MRC

I also tried swapping .air files with the Concorde from FSFrance/HJG

I can't offer a solution to your problem, but in total due respect .... sensing your frustration and desperation for a fix, just need to say that "the above attempted remedy is probably the worst thing one could try in attempt to resolve a/any problem.

What needs to be remembered is .... there's often an inter-relationship between AIR.FILE data and some panel gauges. Swapping an AIR.FILE like that for one "not" customized for use with the intended simulation will likely impose some dramatic impact upon its panel gauges .... and of a negative nature. Never switch AIR.FILE data between different products for the same simulated aircraft type. 9 times out of 10 times it's simply "not" a good idea.

MRC

No problem :)

There's 2 types of WV ....

1. Those that are based on what's compiled into the 3D models .... then (in the case of the DC-10's at least) activated per the NUMERIC KEY PAD as I mentioned and illustrated.

2. Those that are dependent on CFG based camera axis data .... and which are what I suspect his preference is.

Probably best he consult (in regard to he latter/#2 type) with Nathan at HJG :)

The manual I compiled for the HJG hosted DC-10's only refers to the (#2 type) model based WV's I presented, but, not in regard to the other alternative.

MRC

He shouldn't need to change anything that's supplied .... if he's indeed using the HJG supplied files .... "and only provided he's content with the views presented below".

2 WV's "ONLY" are included within all DC-10's offered by HJG.

The WV components (imaged below) are actually part'n'parcel of the 3D models (so it was discovered back in 2015) .... and work automatically "from 2D panel view" (not VC panel view as no VC is provided) on the basis of selecting the following NUMERIC KEY PAD commands

1 = displays training edge WV

3 = displays leading edge WV

That's the only WV's featured in what HJG offer (functioning as commanded/described above) and which then appear as follows ....

"IF" he's trying to add all-round wing views possibly per per CFG based camera angle data .... THEN .... that's a whole other ball game not supported by HJG.

Although not actively supported by HJG (only because of limited past interest) one of the groups members (Nathan) is "an expert" in the compilation of WV data and will probably provide him with assistance, but, he'll need to log onto the HJG forum .... where 99.999% of it's supported is provided.

MRC

I had not known that Delta flew the shorties - they were there and gone before I started flying

"IF" .... it's of any interest to anyone "HERE" ....

Erik INGRAM and myself compiled the following-linked history of DAL DC-9 and MD-80/90 operations .... as a tribute to these aircraft following the withdrawal from service of DAL's last MD-80/80's during 2020 ....

https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9964/delta-dc-9-dynasty

We also jointly compiled the following-linked history of the AAL MD-80/90's too .... similarly in accordance with their withdrawal from AAL service during 2019 ....

https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9532/long-super-80-retirement-tribute

Both histories are supported by the HJG offerings among these lines of simulations.

MRC

didn't they also have nick name Mad-dogs or something similar

"MAD DOG" was the nick name applied to MD-81/82/83/87/88/90 aircraft (later larger, heavier, and more advanced progressions of the original DC-9 design .... following the DC-9-50) from the 1980's .... and at around the same time the McDONNELL-DOUGLAS also dropped the original and historic "DC" civil aircraft designator in favor of their then new "MD" designation.

Think (?) FAA references still refer to the MD-81/82/83/87/88/90 as "DC-9-81/82/83/87/88/90" though .... probably because of it's evolution as an amendment to the original FAA DC-9 certificate.

Just to digress this "MD" designator slightly: Whilst the MD-80/90 SERIES are commonly referred to as "MAD DOG's" some apparently refer to the MD-11's as being "MIGHTY DOG's" or "MEGA DOGS" :)

MRC