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    Hello Peter
    Some time ago I was seeking info on the use of the toga method of takeoffs. you kindly posted a reply showing how you achieved this yourself.
    I noticed that the last post was by me saying I would give your method a try.
    Well, it's taken a long time (months /years), but today I have finally got round to trying it and I am more than pleased with the results.
    I have used both the PA Airbuses and the Posky 737s so far. The results have been much-improved takeoffs.
    For many years I have struggled with this phase of flight, and never really felt satisfied with the results. The only plus side being a long-time sim flier I could rectify the situation if it got out of hand IE stalls etc by taking over manually until autopilot/throttle resumed correct functioning. I particularly had problems with the PA Airbus and getting its autothrottle to activate, it was very variable in operation sometimes it would work, but other times I would have to keep turning it(or SPD) on and off.
    Anyway adopting your instructions for setting up an aircraft for take-off (it's still early days yet and I will probably still make some mistakes till I am completely au fait with your method) and executing that take-off has resulted in a much more controlled and satisfying result.

    So belated thanks to you.

    Cheers Andy

    PS
    I have also been posting a lot recently about the other end of a flight and my difficulties with landings. If I can improve those as well I will be very pleased.

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    Okay, Andy... Spill the Beans!

    What is the Procedure you describe? Neophyte airline jockeys like me are always looking for Tips!

    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperPilot2 View Post
    Okay, Andy... Spill the Beans!

    What is the Procedure you describe? Neophyte airline jockeys like me are always looking for Tips!

    Alan
    Hello Alan

    Here's Peters guide for takeoffs.
    It has much improved mine.


    Andy,
    assuming you tried the aircraft.cfg tweaks to no avail. Sorry for trivia but Auto-throttle engagement would not work without the IAS hold (in some cockpits SPD) button selected.
    Just as a test, what I usually do, actually take-off with Auto-throttle:
    1/ Select AP runway heading
    2/ Select the AP altitude 10000, VSI select lets say 1500 FPM
    3/ Select speed dial to 250kts
    4/ At this point all AP functions disabled and lined up for take-off, engines running
    5/ Autothrottle ON
    6/ IAS hold (or SPD) on - aircraft starts to accelerate
    7/ Rotate command - rotate to selected VSI
    8/ AP engage, AP heading engage, AP altitude engage
    9/ Gear up
    10/ Flaps up
    At this point the speed stays at 250kts and aircraft climbs to the selected altitude maintaining the selected VSI. Then I change tohe AP heeding and altitude as directed by ATC. Increase AP speed dial after 10000ft.
    This always works for me. Occasionally after take-off the speed exceeds 250kts slightly but reduces to the mandated 2 .

    I hope this helps Alan

    Cheers Andy
    Last edited by HoratioWondersocks; 10-28-2021 at 12:54 AM.

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    Many Thanks for posting, Andy! This will definitely help out. I'll give it a try next time I take one of my windowed cigar tubes out for a spin!

    Alan

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    Hi Gents,
    did not see this post until now and thanks for the compliment. I would just add something to these instructions - what I recently started using.
    Installed in the cockpit (if not there already) trim gauge such as:gaugexx=hg_trim_dig2!Digital Trim w Reset.
    When completing the point 8 - engaging AP altitude hold the aircraft sometimes pitches up or down before it catches the selected VSI. Note the trim reading at this point and that is the trim I preselect before take-off. When this trim is preselected the aircraft does not pitch when AP altitude hold is selected and nicely follows the selected VSI.
    ALSO (not related) it is recommended - mainly those using keyboard to check two boxes in FSUIPC Miscellaneous section: "Center Elevator on AP Alt Change" and "discon elev trim axis for AP" This achieves a nice smooth transition when AP is disconnected - without aircraft pitching up or down. Mainly useful when disconnecting AP on approach hold. Cheers
    Peter Bendl
    ex. British Airways

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