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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    You completely miss the big picture. Yes, some of the the scenery in MSFS is "beautiful", but -- like the real world -- much of it is not, e.g., big-city slums, blocks of industrial warehouses, desolate wastelands, etc. What it IS, is realistic -- the first sim to attempt to model the world as it actually appears, which it does not do perfectly but comes amazingly close, in my opinion. No other sim remotely approaches what has been accomplished here.

    Secondly, while MSFS has experienced some issues on launch, as has happened with every previous flight sim program, it has become clear that many of the problems you and others attribute to "bugs" are not problems inherent to the program per se, but are caused by improperly configured computer setups, inattention to detail in configuring and using the program, and other local issues. The fact that many simmers have not experienced these so-called "bugs" proves this. "Then came along X-plane and P3D with practically no bugs at all", you say. Really? I have seen enough comment from users of those programs to know that this statement is nonsense. Bottom line, get real.
    You sure have no idea what you are saying. You are a "gamer" not a Simer and have not been around when FS9 or FSX rolled out....Their bugs were minimal and fairly easy to fix by tweeking. Sorry guy, many of us Know what we are talking about...Stop playing and Go Vote! (If you got the age)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bam1220 View Post
    I have gone back to FS9 and all of my addons. It's very relaxing to do a flight in the HJG DC9-30 and have everything work 100%. Planes, sim, 3rd party weather, and 3rd party ATC. It all works.
    Sorry to take this off at a tangent but do these also work in FSX? I've been to their site and it's not abundantly clear. Unfortunately FS9 seems to have given up the ghost on my current hardware/software configuration but I can still coax FSX to life.
    Vern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky44 View Post
    You sure have no idea what you are saying. You are a "gamer" not a Simer and have not been around when FS9 or FSX rolled out....Their bugs were minimal and fairly easy to fix by tweeking. Sorry guy, many of us Know what we are talking about...Stop playing and Go Vote! (If you got the age)
    On the contrary, it is YOU, my friend, who have no idea what you are talking about. I have been flightsimming for 37 years going back to FS2, and I have owned and used FS9 and FSX since their inception. I can tell you, as can many other FSX users, that FSX was plagued with problems from the start, in fact worse than is the case with MSFS. There was considerable unhappiness with it, but in time FSX became a great sim, especially with addon sceneries such as ORBX and Ultimate Terrain, and many other improvements. Your statement that "their [FSX and FS9] bugs were minimal and fairly easy to fix by tweeking" (I think you mean tweaking) is just way off the mark, as FSX veterans of the early days know well.

    Regarding your other comment, I am assuredly not a gamer, and never have been (I don't even know what games are out there). I am a dyed-in-the-wool simmer and in fact, have a log of all my flights dating back to 1994. I would be delighted to send it to you!

    P.S. I voted three weeks ago.
    Last edited by cobalt; 10-26-2020 at 06:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvensmith View Post
    Sorry to take this off at a tangent but do these also work in FSX? I've been to their site and it's not abundantly clear. Unfortunately FS9 seems to have given up the ghost on my current hardware/software configuration but I can still coax FSX to life.
    Most of the planes there will work fine in FSX. There are some really nice custom panels for many of the planes, but some of the panels are FS9 only. No bother--you can usually grab whatever panel you need on this site or one of the other sites with freeware libraries. All of the sound and effects files seem to work fine in FSX. I really like their DC-9 line.

    Go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    I can tell you, as can many other FSX users, that FSX was plagued with problems from the start, in fact worse than is the case with MSFS.
    Geez...I won't argue this point as it's a totally ridiculous statement. You only have to go look at what the service packs fixed to see there was never any plague of problems with FSX. All the many, many core elements of FSX worked perfectly unlike MSFS which has issues with literally everything. The FSX service packs pretty much addressed performance and added DX10.

    MSFS users currently have issues with downloading, installation, stability, performance, aircraft, AI aircraft, weather, scenery, ATC, navigation, heck, that's off the top of my head and not sure what else is left that makes up a flight simulator???
    At what point would you or others consider MSFS broken? lol
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    Most of the planes there will work fine in FSX. There are some really nice custom panels for many of the planes, but some of the panels are FS9 only. No bother--you can usually grab whatever panel you need on this site or one of the other sites with freeware libraries. All of the sound and effects files seem to work fine in FSX. I really like their DC-9 line.
    I'm responding in regard to the HJG supplied DC-9 sound packs .... and FSX portability of HJG panels .... if that's what the OP is referring to in this particular case (?)

    Firstly .... be aware that the HJG supplied DC-9 sound packs may function in FSX, but, they're "not" FSX customized (they can't function as intended "in FSX") .... hence these sound packs are among those the group "doesn't" market as being FSX portable.

    Secondly .... most of the HJG supplied panels and sound packs (simulations generally) are FSX portable, but. some "aren't" .... as commented by the OP.

    For the benefit of everyone's knowledge and understanding .... the following-linked HJG posting clearly defines what "IS", and 'IS NOT", FSX portable (or native) in respect of what the group offers ....

    WHAT "IS" AND "IS NOT" FSX COMPATIBLE/PORTABLE
    https://tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/t...tible-portable

    Queries in regard to any of this information are best directed at HJG ... .where they can be more quickly and thoroughly replied to

    MRC

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlak View Post
    Don't like?. Don't use it. Don't waste your time writing novels.
    So much agreement here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    Geez...I won't argue this point as it's a totally ridiculous statement. You only have to go look at what the service packs fixed to see there was never any plague of problems with FSX. All the many, many core elements of FSX worked perfectly unlike MSFS which has issues with literally everything. The FSX service packs pretty much addressed performance and added DX10.

    MSFS users currently have issues with downloading, installation, stability, performance, aircraft, AI aircraft, weather, scenery, ATC, navigation, heck, that's off the top of my head and not sure what else is left that makes up a flight simulator???
    At what point would you or others consider MSFS broken? lol
    Please listen to me: I was there! The attacks on FSX when it came out in 2006 were ferocious -- it was called "garbage!", "trash!", "a ripoff!", etc. (Sound familiar?) Part of the problem came from the fact that FSX was designed for state-of-the-art personal computers that many, perhaps most, flightsim enthusiasts at the time did not have. I know -- I was one of them! And there were innovations that many folks did not like. But I was captivated by what I saw as the future in FSX, and I stayed with it until I could purchase a much more powerful computer. But many others did not. To this day, there are some who insist that FS9 is a better flight sim program than FSX, which I know to be untrue since I am familiar with both; there is no comparison as far as I'm concerned.
    As far as MSFS is concerned, it is true that, some users "have issues with downloading, installation, stability, performance, ..." as you say, but many others do not. That should tell you something, should it not? It is clear to me, and I think to many others with similar experience going back decades, that notwithstanding the growing pains, there is no comparison between FSX and MSFS. You are entitled to your opinion of MSFS, but that cannot change history. What happened, happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Please listen to me: I was there!
    I was there too! I'm also one of those who insist FS9 is a better flight sim than FSX.

    FS9 was the pinnacle of the MS flight sim franchise. FSX was the first major step toward modernizing the franchise and it failed. Even today if you run high end add-ons, high res textures, you need CPU's that don't exist yet. Then, let's say you could run it with any add-on, any resolution textures, fully maxed settings, then VAS screws things up for you!

    People trashed FSX for performance issues and it still has them. You can deny and put MSFS problems back on the user as much as you like. While you and others do this rather than demand a better quality product, Asobo will sit there and focus attention on pay DLC's and Xbox over fixing the MSFS PC problems.

    For a little humor and to show the scale of how ridiculous the MSFS release is:
    First link is a fun thread I started which got locked as people don't know fun.
    Then just the other day, I found the second linked thread at the MSFS forums!
    Yes, things really are this bad! lol

    There is nothing left to say other than people need to stop approving garbage because until you do no one will take it away.

    https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showt...020-and-beyond!

    https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t...-flight/303834
    Mark Daniels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    There is nothing left to say other than people need to stop approving garbage because until you do no one will take it away.
    But I am having such fun with my garbage! And now, there is indeed nothing left to say.

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