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Thread: Issue with flyable floatplanes using as AI

  1. #11
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    Dear Sir,

    I'm fixing your plane.

    Contact points way out of tolerance ... I'm MEASURING this plane for CORRECT Dimensions.

    It is right now 21:55 EST time ...

    the AIR file I will check tomorrow

    I should be finished with the "plane" by tomorrow evening.

    I still search for the Speed Data , T.O. Landing.

    MOI Data must be adjusted as well ..

    Sincerely

    G. Kirschstein

  2. #12

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    Here is modified aircraft cfg with new contact points (gear and floats). No edits to air file. Enjoy
    Chuck B
    Napmaule

    //This cfg modified 20Aug04, by CB ('Napamule'), for FS2004, no edits to air file
    //
    [fltsim.0]
    title=Benoist Biplane XIV
    sim=benoist
    panel=hjaFI
    model=
    sound=
    texture=
    checklists=
    atc_id=B14
    ui_manufacturer=Benoist
    ui_type=XIV
    description=The Benoist XIV was the world's first (heavier-than-air) passenger service: St. Pete/
    Tampa, January 1, 1914.
    //
    [General]
    performance=Length:\nSpan:\nWeight:\nPower:\nRange:\nDate:\nDetails:\nDesigner:
    //
    [WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
    max_gross_weight=1748.000
    empty_weight= 1568.000
    //Useful Load= 180 Lbs (Fuel=30 Gals/180 Lbs)(Bal=0 Lbs)
    reference_datum_position= 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
    empty_weight_CG_position=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
    max_number_of_stations=50
    station_load.0=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
    //MOI's
    empty_weight_roll_MOI= 4300.000 //o=1137.000000
    empty_weight_pitch_MOI= 8500.000 //o=4911.000000
    empty_weight_yaw_MOI= 16000.000 //o=2360.000000
    empty_weight_coupled_MOI=0.000000
    //
    [contact_points]
    //GEAR
    point.0=1, 8.0, -4.0, -2.3, 2600, 0, 0.8,30, 0.35, 2.5, 0.95, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    point.1=1, 8.0, 4.0, -2.3, 2600, 0, 0.8,30, 0.35, 2.5, 0.95, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    point.2=1, -1.0, -23.0, -2.3, 2600, 1, 0.8, 0, 0.35, 2.5, 0.95, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0
    point.3=1, -1.0, 23.0, -2.3, 2600, 2, 0.8, 0, 0.35, 2.5, 0.85, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0
    point.4=1,-19.0, -2.0, -2.3, 2600, 0, 0.8, 0, 0.35, 2.5, 0.85, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    point.5=1,-19.0, 2.0, -2.3, 2600, 0, 0.8, 0, 0.35, 2.5, 0.85, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    //FLOATS
    point.6=4, 7.7, 0.0, -2.0, 1600, 0, 0.5, 0, 0.20, 4.5, 1.00, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
    point.7=4, 7.7, 0.0, -2.0, 1600, 0, 0.5, 0, 0.20, 4.5, 1.00, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
    point.8=4, -0.8, -23.0, -2.0, 1600, 0, 0.5, 0, 0.20, 4.5, 1.00, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
    point.9=4, -0.8, 23.0, -2.0, 1600, 0, 0.5, 0, 0.20, 4.5, 1.00, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
    point.10=4,-19.0, 0.0, -2.0, 1600, 0, 0.5,60, 0.20, 4.5, 1.00, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
    //
    //SCRAPES //not needed !
    //point.8=2, 0.5, 22.0, 1.5, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0.95, 2.5, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    //point.9=2, 0.5,-22.0, 1.5, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0.95, 2.5, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    //point.10=2, 8.0, 0.0, 0.0, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0.05, 2.5, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    //point.11=2,-19.0,0.0, 0.0, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0.05, 2.5, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
    static_pitch=0.0
    static_cg_height=2.8 //o=1.8
    //
    [brakes]
    toe_brakes_scale=2.5 //o=1.000000
    parking_brake=1
    differential_braking_scale = 1.0
    //
    [pitot_static]
    pitot_heat=1.000000
    //
    [flight_tuning]
    cruise_lift_scalar = 1.0
    parasite_drag_scalar = 1.0 //o=?=5.0
    induced_drag_scalar = 1.0
    elevator_effectiveness = 1.0
    aileron_effectiveness = 1.0
    rudder_effectiveness = 1.0
    pitch_stability = 1.0
    roll_stability = 1.0
    yaw_stability = 1.0
    elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
    aileron_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
    rudder_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
    //
    [fuel]
    //Main=0.000000,0,0,30.000000,0.000000
    fuel_type=1.000000
    number_of_tank_selectors=1
    electric_pump=0
    Center1=-2.000, 0.000, 0.000, 30.000, 0.000
    //
    [GeneralEngineData]
    engine_type=0
    Engine.0= -3.000, 0.000, 2.000
    fuel_flow_scalar=1.000000
    min_throttle_limit=0.000000
    //
    [piston_engine]
    power_scalar = 1.0
    cylinder_displacement=125.000 //o=76.5
    compression_ratio=8.000000
    number_of_cylinders=6
    max_rated_rpm=1500.000000
    max_rated_hp=125.000 //o=75.000000
    fuel_metering_type=1
    cooling_type=0
    normalized_starter_torque=0.300000
    turbocharged=0
    max_design_mp=40.000000
    min_design_mp=8.000000
    critical_altitude=8000.000000
    emergency_boost_type=0
    emergency_boost_mp_offset=0.000000
    emergency_boost_gain_offset=0.000000
    fuel_air_auto_mixture=1 //o=0
    auto_ignition=0
    max_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar=1.000000
    idle_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar=1.000 //o=2.000000
    max_rpm_friction_scalar=1.000000
    idle_rpm_friction_scalar=0.5000000
    //
    [propeller]
    thrust_scalar = 1.0
    propeller_type=0 //o=1 //0=Constant Speed, 1=Fixed Pitch
    propeller_diameter=8.0
    propeller_blades=2
    propeller_moi=8.583877
    beta_max=20.173913
    beta_min=15.000000
    min_gov_rpm=1400.000000
    prop_tc=0.100000
    gear_reduction_ratio=1.000000
    fixed_pitch_beta=20.000000
    low_speed_theory_limit=80.000000
    prop_sync_available=0
    prop_deice_available=0
    prop_feathering_available=0
    prop_auto_feathering_available=0
    min_rpm_for_feather=0.000000
    beta_feather=0.000000
    power_absorbed_cf=0.000000
    defeathering_accumulators_available=0
    prop_reverse_available=0
    minimum_on_ground_beta=0.000000
    minimum_reverse_beta=0.000000
    //
    [airplane_geometry]
    wing_area=400.0
    wing_span=45.0
    wing_root_chord=6.583333
    wing_dihedral=1.735840
    wing_incidence=0.785522
    wing_twist=-3.801270
    oswald_efficiency_factor=1.566420
    wing_winglets_flag=0
    wing_sweep=0.000000
    wing_pos_apex_lon=0.000000
    wing_pos_apex_vert=0.000000
    htail_area=40.000000
    htail_span=11.666667
    htail_pos_lon=-18.888 //o=-14.666667
    htail_pos_vert=0.000000
    htail_incidence= 1.790 //o=3.246460
    htail_sweep=0.000000
    vtail_area=30.000000
    vtail_span=6.244998
    vtail_sweep=0.000000
    vtail_pos_lon=-18.000 //o=-12.583333
    vtail_pos_vert=1.500000
    elevator_area=16.610000
    aileron_area=20.300000
    rudder_area=10.650000
    elevator_up_limit=28.000447
    elevator_down_limit=20.998903
    aileron_up_limit=19.996227
    aileron_down_limit=19.996227
    rudder_limit=39.900 //o=25.783101
    elevator_trim_limit=19.497754
    spoiler_limit=59.900 //o=?=1.000000
    spoilerons_available=0
    aileron_to_spoileron_gain=0.000000
    min_ailerons_for_spoilerons=0.000000
    min_flaps_for_spoilerons=0.000000
    spoiler_extension_time=2.000
    //
    [autopilot]
    autopilot_available=0
    flight_director_available=0
    //
    [Flaps.0]
    type=1
    span-outboard=0.500000
    extending-time=0.000000
    system_type=0
    //
    [stall_warning]
    type=1
    //
    [Reference Speeds] //NOT HERE = 24.000000
    full_flaps_stall_speed=24.000000
    cruise_speed=50.084731
    max_indicated_speed=165.000000
    flaps_up_stall_speed=30.000000
    //
    [keyboard_response]
    elevator=100.000000,180.000000
    aileron=200.000000,1000.000000
    rudder=200.000000,1000.000000
    //
    [electrical]
    max_battery_voltage = 24
    generator_alternator_voltage = 25
    max_generator_alternator_amps = 60
    //
    [Views]
    eyepoint=-4.000, 0.000, 1.000
    //eyepoint=0,0,0
    //
    [EFFECTS]
    wake=fx_wake
    water=fx_spray.boo
    dirt=fx_tchdrt.boo
    concrete=fx_sparks.boo
    touchdown=fx_tchdwn_sboo, 1.boo
    //
    [attitude_indicators]
    attitude_indicator.0=1
    //
    [Direction_indicators]
    direction_indicator.0=1,0
    //
    [turn_indicators]
    turn_indicator.0=1,0
    //
    [hydraulic_system]
    normal_pressure=0.000000
    //
    [deice_system]
    structural_deice_type=0
    //
    [GPWS] //This Diables the 'don't sink', 'too low-flaps', etc call outs
    max_warning_height = 0
    sink_rate_fpm = -9999
    excessive_sink_rate_fpm = -9999
    climbout_sink_rate_fpm = -9999
    flap_and_gear_sink_rate_fpm= -9999
    //
    //[forcefeedback]
    //---END---
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  3. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by GKKnupper View Post
    (Even Helicopters can fly as "NORMAL" AI aircraft as well, Taxi like any other plane)
    Excepted Bristol Sycamore!

    Bernard

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    Thanks Chuck. Applied your aircraft cfg, and it works perfectly!



    I tried to use it with Dornier Groenland Wal too, but it seems not being the right solution. It works with
    Junkers F13 contact points while setting static_cg_height value at 6.81. But then the aircraft floates to high over the water.

    Bernard
    Last edited by leuen; 08-05-2020 at 03:56 PM.

  5. #15
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    Monsieur Bernar,

    the plane is READY.

    Sent me please yor email address to my email:

    [email protected]

    FDE aircraft.CFG corrected AND Airfile (totally new)

    Plane takes of at 29 kts and Lands perfect ..

    Sincerely

    G. Kirschstein

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    Bernard,
    These models can be from FS2002 and I don't have them. Mr Pook updates these types sometimes but are hard to find. So if you can direct me to the MODEL you want (ie: sometimes they are same name but can have 1 engine, 2 engines, 3 engines, etc) I can take a look at the dynamics, cnt pts, etc for you. Base model is best (paints such as 'Greenland') FOR THAT MODEL is irrelevant (to me). Cheers.
    Chuck B
    Napamule
    PS: On the cfg I provided: the panel name is 'hjaFI' (I forgot to change name). Sorry about that. I use a panel that I am familiar with and that way I don't have to 'learn', or 'put up with', the provided panel which sometimes are lacking gauges, etc.
    Last edited by napamule2; 08-05-2020 at 09:21 PM.
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    Chuck,
    As you correctly presumed, its a Dornier Wal initially for FS2002 done by Wolfram Beckert. I use the model available here, which shows props:
    https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/f...DVUNGl5emZiSFk

    Maybe you get it flying as AI. That would be very helpful, as I began to create von Gronau's flight around the world in 1932.

    Bernard

  8. #18

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    With the kind help of Guenter Kirschstein, the Dornier Wal of Wolfgang von Gronau could at last start its around the world trip done in 1932 (here landing at Seydisfjord in Island).



    Bernard

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    Well I am glad you got your wish. I downloaded the Wal but it was 7zip and my WinZip would not extract the files so I gave up (I am kind of busy with 'Real Life' stuff right now). Glad to hear Guenter Kirschstein helped you with the FDEs that made the Wal flyable. Don't worry, I don't need the Wal. I have 1,000 other (FS9 and FSX) air boats already (hehe).

    As far a using as Ai I suspect that it not being able to turn on water or land MIGHT have made it unuseable as AI. The cnt pts that I made gave it steering on water and land. Not sure if that makes a difference when used as AI as I do not 'DO' AI. Look at lines for floats to see how you can add steering on water. Also compare the compression values for floats as mine work perfect (not bragging) every time. Have a nice RTW trip.
    Chuck B
    Napamule
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