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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger1962 View Post
    the console gaming audience's reaction to open-world sims has always been "There's nothing to do, it's boring, I want my money back" and none of us want a repetition of that!
    This is what concerns me the most. MSFS is going to be released in a partially finished state. People on release will swarm and buy new PC's, add-ons, whatever else based on the assumption MSFS will eventually fully replace FSX.
    And if the Xbox crowd don't take to MSFS? If PC sales aren't what MS expected? MSFS will get dumped, unfinished.
    I can't get excited about the new sim because these are modern gaming times. This won't be FS2020, it'll be more like FS2024 by the time it's hopefully finished.

    2024 is a long way away and all the things that could happen between now and then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger1962 View Post
    I think the PC v. XBox version debate could go on for as long as the FSX v. FS9 debate!
    I don't expect there'll be any difference between the two, apart from the performance limitations of the PC you're accessing the sim from.
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    As you'd expect, the XBox website also states: "Games play best on Xbox One".
    It's very wise of Microsoft to launch on PC first, the console gaming audience's reaction to open-world sims has always been "There's nothing to do, it's boring, I want my money back" and none of us want a repetition of that!
    Well, they aren't planning on releasing for the Xbox next year.

    Yes, Microsoft Flight Simulator will come to Xbox consoles at some point, Neumann said, and it will be an Xbox Game Pass title on that platform, just like its Windows 10 version will be. And, yes, the game will be available either as part of XGP or as a standalone purchase.

    But the game's announced "2020" launch window is for Windows 10, not Xbox consoles, and there's no indication of whether the console version will have specific limitations. Might it require online streaming? Might it require an Xbox One X minimum? Microsoft isn't saying.
    PCs will be the more powerful platform and be more capable than the Xbox. Always have been, and probably will be for some time. A number of games with both desktop and console versions will take advantage of the desktop's additional power, often with higher resolution textures and more detailed scenery, and sometimes other differences too.

    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/...-actual-plane/

    The play best on Xbox thing is aimed at the Xbox's primary competition, the Playstation. With the latest updates to Windows 10 and the Xbox, Microsoft is slowly bringing the console and desktop together under one roof and one platform. Xboxes will be those who don't want to mess around with hardware etc. that want to turn it on and play, and the PC will be for the ones who want more flexibility and/or the most powerful computer money can buy to have the best experience possible. So sure Microsoft wants to get some of the Xbox market flying in the sim, but so far they have given every indication that the PC version is first and foremost in their work at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki View Post
    Xboxes will be those who don't want to mess around with hardware etc. that want to turn it on and play, and the PC will be for the ones who want more flexibility and/or the most powerful computer money can buy to have the best experience possible. So sure Microsoft wants to get some of the Xbox market flying in the sim, but so far they have given every indication that the PC version is first and foremost in their work at the moment.
    Very true, especially "the most powerful computer money can buy"! In the Ars Technica article you linked to, about the Microsoft Flight Simulator world premiere reveal event, is this comment:
    "The entire Microsoft event revolved around MSFS running on Windows 10 PCs—massive ones, at that, with high-end graphics cards. These systems occasionally struggled to keep up with a 60fps refresh, sometimes hitching for three- or six-second pauses for inexplicable, "pre-alpha" reasons. That was arguably due to a mix of unoptimized code, network issues, and sheer power."
    Now 60fps is twice as much as I'd expect FSX or even FS2004 to run at on my current PC, and I seriously doubt my PC would even meet the minimum specifications for this sim when those are eventually released. I expect the cost of a suitable GPU upgrade alone to cost twice as much as an XBox One X (12gb GPU included) or it's successor. I'm definitely going to be in the XBox market for this sim, and I'll be quite happy to wait and see what develops.
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    I'm a bit confused with this Xbox and PC thing, whenever I've seen a game being played on Xbox the graphics always seem very good, I am not sure if that is because the game is on a disk or online but a lot of PC's don't seem to match that.

    I have said in another thread, I remember when FS2004 was released a lot of simmers had to buy a new PC to run it or upgrade with peripherals etc, so I can see this happening again.
    I remember reading one post by a guy who bragged he got the sim at a bargain price but on the next sentence he said how much his new PC cost lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColR1948 View Post
    I'm a bit confused with this Xbox and PC thing, whenever I've seen a game being played on Xbox the graphics always seem very good, I am not sure if that is because the game is on a disk or online but a lot of PC's don't seem to match that.
    An Xbox is essentially a very specialized PC that developers can optimize their games for. However, even a mid-range PC these days is more powerful than the current top end Xbox, and high end PCs are even more powerful. Some games do allow for more detail and high resolution textures on the PC due do the better hardware. Although, there are some games where the PC port is somewhat of an afterthought too.

    Depending on what, if any, compromises are needed to get the new sim running on the next generation Xbox, it could well be a great option for those on a more limited budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki View Post
    An Xbox is essentially a very specialized PC that developers can optimize their games for. However, even a mid-range PC these days is more powerful than the current top end Xbox, and high end PCs are even more powerful. Some games do allow for more detail and high resolution textures on the PC due do the better hardware. Although, there are some games where the PC port is somewhat of an afterthought too.

    Depending on what, if any, compromises are needed to get the new sim running on the next generation Xbox, it could well be a great option for those on a more limited budget.
    Loki - seriously mate, PLEASE watch the video in this link: https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/project-scarlett
    THIS is what XBox Game Studios Microsoft Flight Simulator will be released on:
    "Project Scarlett arriving Holiday 2020.
    Project Scarlett will set a new bar for console power, speed and performance, arriving Holiday 2020 alongside Halo Infinite. With a custom-designed AMD processor, high bandwidth GDDR6 memory and a next generation solid state drive (SSD), Project Scarlett will give developers the power they need to bring their creative visions to life. Thousands of games across four console generations will look and play best on Project Scarlett."
    The home desktop PC market is in rapid decline in favor of tablets and smartphones, and PC component costs are increasing just as rapidly as a result. The cost of the XBox Project Scarlett, with the ideal spec CPU, GPU, RAM and SSD built-in, will be a fraction of the cost of an equivalent desktop PC which would be capable of running Microsoft Flight Simulator at the full rate. My current PC will be the last I own, and I'm about as sentimental about it as I was about my DVD player and the VCR player before that.
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    They have bars where you can go get a beer. They have laundrymats where you can go do your laundry. They have librarys where you can go read a book. They have rollerinks where you can skate. They have massage parlors where you can get 'rubbed'. They have bowling alleys, and can join a league, along with the shirt with team logo, bowl, eat, have a beer and socialize. So, why can't there be some 'MS Pads' (Hangars?) where you can go in, rent a booth, and play Flight Simulator on provided top spec PC's, play 'online', eat, and get a beer, and socialize? I don't think MS is really doing any 'real' THINKING!
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    Hey Chuck! Us teenage dirtbags have feelings too ya know!
    I think MS is really thinking that the desktop PC for home users is reaching the end of the road. In my experience, Windows 10 isn't happy on a desktop PC, and even less happy about running old software like FS2004 and FSX. Times change and technology moves on, such is life.
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    As a crinkly simmer (I am 63 yrs old) i actually quite like the idea of buying a much cheaper xbox to run the new sim on but only if it can do the same as the pc version.

    The problem i have is my home cockpit uses 10 usb ports for all of the controllers. Would this even be possible on an xbox? I suspect there are a fairly high proportion of simmers using more than a joystick to control the sim. If there is a need to use the standard xbox controller then for me that throws realism straight out of the window.

    Also I wonder how many of the addon developers will be venturing into the xbox market. If this sim is to last the next decade we will all be looking to enhance it over the coming years

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColR1948 View Post
    whenever I've seen a game being played on Xbox the graphics always seem very good
    You should see me play GTA V on my computer.

    You might not be watching the right videos on YouTube or what ever. You can even watch YouTube game streaming and see what games people are playing on their PC's.
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