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Thread: FS2004 crashes loading Gatwick with Norwegian AI

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    Default FS2004 crashes loading Gatwick with Norwegian AI

    After hours of converting each and every Norwegian FAIB texture for FS9 use, although the textures seem to work fine, loading up Gatwick or even getting to close to it causes the simulator to give me an "out of memory" error.

    It's a huge fleet in one bgl, with over 120 different aircraft.... I tried to reuse repaints for the 737 fleet so that only about 10 were used (an underwhelming amount), basically just repeating certain AC#XXX, but even that didn't work, and boiling it down even further by only having the longhaul fleet and MAX, going even further and just using one repaint per type, that still wouldn't work. Thankfully that means the problem may not be the volume of aircraft. I figured maybe a certain texture wasn't working, but the MAX and 787 fleet work fine as seen on other airports, and the longhaul fleet doesn't include the 737NGs, and still crashed.

    I also attempted to put an AFCAD for EGKK to help the sim keep aircraft parked and not flying around which hurts memory.

    "Faulting Module Name: MFC70.dll"

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    sounds more like your issue is with the gatwick scenery or other scenery neat gatwick. have you tried disabling AI and flying near gatwick to see if the problem persists?

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    Yup, disabled Gatwick, still no good.

    Actually I thought that maybe having more available parking would help the sim by not having a lot of aircraft airborne or ghosting. I experimented with and without addons.

    I’m considering doing one aircraft repaint at a time, or modifying the number of different aircraft in the aircraft.txt file instead of just duping AC#XXXs in the flightplans.txt file, when I get the chance.

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    If you set the AI slider to 0, does this fix it? If so, it's probably a bad texture on one of the AI planes.
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    What are your auto gen sliders set to?

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    Just so you know, given your original post, every AI aircraft loads as a new instance so there is actually no saving by assigning less aircraft to the same schedules.

    You mention "out of memory" error - have you checked to see how much memory the simulator is using at that moment? It could be that you are pushing FS beyond its (or your computer's) abilities. Unless you have modified your base FS9.exe to handle more, the memory limit can just simply exceed the game's abilities at large airports.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgibson_new View Post
    If you set the AI slider to 0, does this fix it? If so, it's probably a bad texture on one of the AI planes.
    Still crashes. Although I loaded a different airport and there is still traffic. I think it's how AIG is programmed though; it's all set to 1% (so shouldn't it all be gone when set to 0?!).

    Quote Originally Posted by CRJ_simpilot View Post
    What are your auto gen sliders set to?
    Set to maximum.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnhinson View Post
    Just so you know, given your original post, every AI aircraft loads as a new instance so there is actually no saving by assigning less aircraft to the same schedules.

    You mention "out of memory" error - have you checked to see how much memory the simulator is using at that moment? It could be that you are pushing FS beyond its (or your computer's) abilities. Unless you have modified your base FS9.exe to handle more, the memory limit can just simply exceed the game's abilities at large airports.

    John
    I'm able to upload massive airports like ATL, DFW, ORD, etc. with no issue, also considering I have addon sceneries for those. I'll try loading default Gatwick without Norwegian traffic installed.

    Yep it still crashes.

    I've been getting that error more often, usually on really long flights (8+ hours, towards the end, but feel this may be attributed to FSRealWX also running) but it continuously occurs when going to the London area. I'm concerned this isn't the only area where I will experience this.... I feel like a reinstall might work.... but I feel like there's a better solution that directly addresses this rather than the nuclear option.

    I mean just now without the simulator the C: is constantly 90-100%. (I have the FS9 installed there...). Memory is at 46%, CPU is around 9%. Now C: is very low and things were clicking smoothly in FS9. Loaded EGKK without any addons, even removed the afcad file..... still no good, even zeroed out traffic. Computer seems to be running pretty good now though. Earlier ago C: was very full, now the simulator at least loads quickly. I don't know what to attribute it to though, since the sim keeps crashing at Gatwick. Servicehost:superfetch was a big culprit earlier ago (very high but now it's slowed down).

    And now even Frankfurt (without the Norwegian AI).... which I've flown into many times without incident (no recent changes).


    Ugh.

    Deleted the Norwegian ai entirely from the sim and it still crashes in Gatwick. I feel like the AI did something to the sim or maybe this was something already growing from before. I only see a sudden spike in C: drive performance, other than that everything else is running just fine. If it's being affected by other stuff I may just have to reinstall and hope for the best.
    Last edited by TheRedBadger; 06-20-2019 at 06:00 PM.

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    Forgive my words, but you quote my post but then don't really address the points I made.

    How much memory usage in percentage is irrelevant, because FS will not use it all - it cannot. Go toi Windows Task Manager and watch the figure under Processes. If necessary, run FS in windowed mode so you can watch this. "Out of available memory" almost always indicates that you are asking too much of FS.

    Landclass files in the wrong place can also cause this issue. Locating them is a problem that is a bit tricky for anybody to identify remotely, but the potential issue is having them in a directory structure where they are in a scenery directory that has a parralel texture directory.

    If you have been using an add-on scenery for Gatwick, LC files may (and most likely will) have been placed in a separate directory structure so disabling the Gatwick scenery in the Scenery library isn't necessarily going to achieve the desired effect.

    You have not said whether you are running the out-of-the-box FS9.exe or a modified version which allows increased memory usage. The latter is really quite beneficial if you have a lot of add-ons and AI.

    I doubt FSRealFX has any effect, it is a separate piece of software that simply injects weather into FS at intervals. The memory it uses is quite separate. Behaviour should be the same in short or long flights.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedBadger View Post

    Set to maximum.
    Start turning the autogen sliders down one notch at a time until hopefully the crash goes away. I had this same issue time and time again just flying into certain areas. All other areas were fine, but on approach there, BAM! instant CTD. So I started turning the sliders down one notch at a time and it fixed my issue.

    Keep in mind that if this is the source of your issue it's just a local thing. So if you fly somewhere else you should be able to crank the sliders back up. That is until you hit another area where the Sim will crash. I just leave my sliders to medium I think it is. Somewhere around there. I have to get on my desktop to check.

    Read my Sig on OOM errors as well. I had a VAS issue after I installed a giant New York add-on. On approach the Sim used all 4 GB of RAM and an instant CTD. So I ran the Scenery Config tool and disabled a handful of areas I wasn't using and then I was able to fly into NY without a crash. It's because the Sim loads all areas whether you fly there or not and so your RAM can be taxed in no time. So for me, I keep the NY scenery deactivated until I fly there, and if I do, I then enable it and disable other areas so I don't surpass the 4 GB hard coded limit for a Sim coded in a 32 bit environment. This isn't the case with Prepar3d since I guess they coded it for 64 bit.

    I guess there's a utility out there that can allow you to use more than 4 GB, but I can't remember its name now. I have to search for it.

    For right now just try lowering your autogen sliders down one notch at a time and see if that crash goes away. If not, you're probably surpassing the 4 GB limit. Verify while simming and watching Task Manager. Preferably on a second screen. There's no better way to fly. My second screen runs LittleNavMap.

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    TheRedBadger back off a bit on your autogen slider. You said in your last post that it is maxed out. Try backing off a notch. I have a fast updated homebuilt computer and I was getting the same crashes with autogen set to max. I backed off a notch and all is fine. If that doesn't solve it run an antivirus scan. Then download the free version of Malwarebytes and run that. See if they find anything. Malware and viruses can also cause what you are seeing.

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