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    Quote Originally Posted by CRJ_simpilot View Post
    Start turning the autogen sliders down one notch at a time until hopefully the crash goes away. I had this same issue time and time again just flying into certain areas. All other areas were fine, but on approach there, BAM! instant CTD. So I started turning the sliders down one notch at a time and it fixed my issue.

    Keep in mind that if this is the source of your issue it's just a local thing. So if you fly somewhere else you should be able to crank the sliders back up. That is until you hit another area where the Sim will crash. I just leave my sliders to medium I think it is. Somewhere around there. I have to get on my desktop to check.

    Read my Sig on OOM errors as well. I had a VAS issue after I installed a giant New York add-on. On approach the Sim used all 4 GB of RAM and an instant CTD. So I ran the Scenery Config tool and disabled a handful of areas I wasn't using and then I was able to fly into NY without a crash. It's because the Sim loads all areas whether you fly there or not and so your RAM can be taxed in no time. So for me, I keep the NY scenery deactivated until I fly there, and if I do, I then enable it and disable other areas so I don't surpass the 4 GB hard coded limit for a Sim coded in a 32 bit environment. This isn't the case with Prepar3d since I guess they coded it for 64 bit.

    I guess there's a utility out there that can allow you to use more than 4 GB, but I can't remember its name now. I have to search for it.

    For right now just try lowering your autogen sliders down one notch at a time and see if that crash goes away. If not, you're probably surpassing the 4 GB limit. Verify while simming and watching Task Manager. Preferably on a second screen. There's no better way to fly. My second screen runs LittleNavMap.

    Quote Originally Posted by bam1220 View Post
    TheRedBadger back off a bit on your autogen slider. You said in your last post that it is maxed out. Try backing off a notch. I have a fast updated homebuilt computer and I was getting the same crashes with autogen set to max. I backed off a notch and all is fine. If that doesn't solve it run an antivirus scan. Then download the free version of Malwarebytes and run that. See if they find anything. Malware and viruses can also cause what you are seeing.
    Scratch that, autogen slider is actually at dense. Mistook it for some other metric, although it looks like that metric isn't max either (scenery complexity). Setting autogen to none still results in a crash ):



    Quote Originally Posted by johnhinson View Post
    Forgive my words, but you quote my post but then don't really address the points I made.

    How much memory usage in percentage is irrelevant, because FS will not use it all - it cannot. Go toi Windows Task Manager and watch the figure under Processes. If necessary, run FS in windowed mode so you can watch this. "Out of available memory" almost always indicates that you are asking too much of FS.

    Landclass files in the wrong place can also cause this issue. Locating them is a problem that is a bit tricky for anybody to identify remotely, but the potential issue is having them in a directory structure where they are in a scenery directory that has a parralel texture directory.

    If you have been using an add-on scenery for Gatwick, LC files may (and most likely will) have been placed in a separate directory structure so disabling the Gatwick scenery in the Scenery library isn't necessarily going to achieve the desired effect.

    You have not said whether you are running the out-of-the-box FS9.exe or a modified version which allows increased memory usage. The latter is really quite beneficial if you have a lot of add-ons and AI.

    I doubt FSRealFX has any effect, it is a separate piece of software that simply injects weather into FS at intervals. The memory it uses is quite separate. Behaviour should be the same in short or long flights.

    John
    Ah yes, well actually when viewing Processes I don't really see a bump or spike in any of the figures. I installed UK2000's Gatwick scenery but have since uninstalled it. It used an installer and doesn't have an uninstaller so I wonder if it dropped any other files into the sim....

    As far as the FS2004 version, it's out-of-the-box (used the disc), and upgraded to 9.1 as well. I am guilty of using a certain patch.... however it was the only known solution to using the sim since there was predicament with running the original FS9.exe. Think it was using Windows 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedBadger View Post
    Scratch that, autogen slider is actually at dense. Mistook it for some other metric, although it looks like that metric isn't max either (scenery complexity). Setting autogen to none still results in a crash ):

    Ah yes, well actually when viewing Processes I don't really see a bump or spike in any of the figures. I installed UK2000's Gatwick scenery but have since uninstalled it. It used an installer and doesn't have an uninstaller so I wonder if it dropped any other files into the sim....

    As far as the FS2004 version, it's out-of-the-box (used the disc), and upgraded to 9.1 as well. I am guilty of using a certain patch.... however it was the only known solution to using the sim since there was predicament with running the original FS9.exe. Think it was using Windows 10.
    Thanks. To be honest (although it is suggested differently above) I would be very surprised if it was a general overload of work that is taking you over the 4GB mark. I feel sure there is something in there somewhere that is pulling things down, but it is going to be so hard to find.

    I don't think UK2000 sceneries use Landclass files, nor do I think they put files anywhere unexpected - I am pretty sure everything goes in ../FS9/uk2000 scenery so my gut feeling is that isn't where your issue lies.

    But where and what . . . this is a difficult predicament for you and even more difficult for remote correspondents.

    Here's a suggestion, if you can face it. How about backing up your entire installation safely, installing a clean FS9 and copying in various of your files in batches and testing. Doing it that way will make sure, for the purposes of testing, that nothing slips into other directories. Make sure you back up your FS9.cfg and the other files that are not kept in the FS directory structure. It is really the best idea I can think of right now.

    At any point you can swap back in your full orgional setup if you need to.

    John

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    Only skimmed the thread but have you tried disabling all the other scenery except for the airports you are flying from and too?
    Mark Daniels

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhinson View Post
    Thanks. To be honest (although it is suggested differently above) I would be very surprised if it was a general overload of work that is taking you over the 4GB mark. I feel sure there is something in there somewhere that is pulling things down, but it is going to be so hard to find.

    I don't think UK2000 sceneries use Landclass files, nor do I think they put files anywhere unexpected - I am pretty sure everything goes in ../FS9/uk2000 scenery so my gut feeling is that isn't where your issue lies.

    But where and what . . . this is a difficult predicament for you and even more difficult for remote correspondents.

    Here's a suggestion, if you can face it. How about backing up your entire installation safely, installing a clean FS9 and copying in various of your files in batches and testing. Doing it that way will make sure, for the purposes of testing, that nothing slips into other directories. Make sure you back up your FS9.cfg and the other files that are not kept in the FS directory structure. It is really the best idea I can think of right now.

    At any point you can swap back in your full orgional setup if you need to.

    John
    Thank /y’all/. Its too bad this isn’t a more common problem with a proven solution.

    I’ve actually got all my addons in a separate directory where I download, “unbox” (unzip), and organize everything before moving to FS9. It’s annoying when addons are installers that beg to install directly to the sim.

    I’ll probably be reinstalling once I finish several more of my scheduled flights. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher12 View Post
    Only skimmed the thread but have you tried disabling all the other scenery except for the airports you are flying from and too?
    Ehhh I haven’t, I would basically disable all scenery since EGKK is uninstalled (and broke even when no addon was installed).

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    Skywatcher12 may be on to something there. I wish I could be more specific with my issue but I remember a year or 2 ago I had an issue where the sim would crash flying to KMCO Orlando. The culprit turned out to be some other scenery in the area, however I don't remember if it was an airport or some other sceney. Daytona comes to mind but the point is these crashes can be caused by other scenery in the area. Turning sliders up or down should not cause your sim to crash. I also remember years ago I had crashes occurring at KSEA and the culprit was an airport scenery in europe somewhere. what I do is I start cut/paste scenery out of my scenery.cfg about half at a time and save it in a separate notepad, restart the sim and see if the crash went away. if it does then i start adding back in from the notepad file half at a time until the crash reoccurs, and then just keep narrowing it down until i find the guilty scenery and get rid of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt_Flappers View Post
    Skywatcher12 may be on to something there. I wish I could be more specific with my issue but I remember a year or 2 ago I had an issue where the sim would crash flying to KMCO Orlando. The culprit turned out to be some other scenery in the area, however I don't remember if it was an airport or some other sceney. Daytona comes to mind but the point is these crashes can be caused by other scenery in the area. Turning sliders up or down should not cause your sim to crash. I also remember years ago I had crashes occurring at KSEA and the culprit was an airport scenery in europe somewhere. what I do is I start cut/paste scenery out of my scenery.cfg about half at a time and save it in a separate notepad, restart the sim and see if the crash went away. if it does then i start adding back in from the notepad file half at a time until the crash reoccurs, and then just keep narrowing it down until i find the guilty scenery and get rid of it.
    Crashes of that nature are usually caused by duplicate AFD files with different co-ordinations for the airport. You can have one AFD with differing co-ordinations but add another with the original co-ords and FS gets confused when it tries to place aircraft at the airport.

    However, this does not crash with "out of memory" which is apparently what is happening here - it will attribute the crash to the ai_playr.dll library.

    John

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    Old problem, but it appears even after reinstalling FS9, EGKK gives me an "out of memory" problem still (which is BS since I'm actively looking at the task manager and says available memory is just fine and dandy for that time frame). It's likely not the sim but just this computer.... I keep seeing that error way more often. Like I can't even go to another airport without the thing crashing.

    EDDF is out of bounds too....

    I can however confirm I was able to go to EGKK without anything 3rd party installed; nothing at all. I might have to do another reinstall if I don't wish to be individually picking in and out what files may have been affecting the sim (and constantly open and close FS9), and just do one addon at a time until a break happens eventually,

    Is it recommended installing FS9 outside of program files? Otherwise it almost seems like I've been banned from flying into Europe (I usually don't go there anyways but still).
    Last edited by TheRedBadger; 07-14-2019 at 05:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedBadger View Post
    Is it recommended installing FS9 outside of program files?
    Yes, definitely do that. And "Run as Administrator". Upgrade to FS9.1 and use a mod that allows use of 4 GB RAM rather than the default 1GB.

    John

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    Hey guys,

    I've had OOM error messages/crashes as well but ages ago. It's a message from Windows and not from FS9 itself. The message means that something from within FS9 is (via Windows) trying to access a memory area outside that allotted to or by Windows and does not mean that there is not enough available memory.

    This error is almost always caused by something within FS9, which is programable and which contains one or more program errors or has become corrupted, e.g. a cockpit instrument, an effect, a light, etc. As far as AI planes go, I would therefore want to suggest that you look into the effects and lights of any culprit you may suspect and that you choose a trusty default flyable plane when you open your EGKK airport.

    Hope this helps, in any case to narrow down your problem.
    Good luck

    Hans

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    Read the link in my signature about OOMs.

    FS will use up to and no more than 4 GB of RAM. Going past that and you'll get an out of memory condition. The solution may be to use SceneryConfigEditor mentioned in that link to disable scenery that you're not using per your flight. Mostly the heavy stuff.
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