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    Default Can't do a complete barrel roll with X56 Stick

    Flying in FSX I can't do a complete barrel roll with my X56 stick. Regardless of which plane I am flying when attempting a roll it goes to the half way point then flips back. When this happens it is very difficult to regain control. The plane will not go completely over. I also have an X52 with which I have no problem with this. Has anyone else had this experience with the X56?
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    I don't know anything about the X56, but it sounds like a calibration problem. What is the "half way point?" I'd think that would be 180º, which would be inverted, but "The plane will not go completely over." sounds as if it doesn't even get inverted.

    Just for grins, while you're on the ground, hold ailerons for a minute or so, watching the (virtual) stick/yoke AND the ailerons on the wings to see if they snap back neutral or something.

    One other thought. You don't mention roll rate, but a large difference in roll rate might have an effect, allowing speed to bleed off too much to complete the roll.

    Larry N.

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    Outside of calibration, and sensitivity, your stick might not be the problem. It may be the airplane. Or rather it's roll and airleon settings/values in Air file's 1101 section. Look at 'aileron control factor'. If it's '-700' then change it to '-1800'. Then look at 'roll control factor'. If it's '-2800' then change it to '-4800'. I guarentee it will roll now. Maybe too much. Adjust 'factor' values as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigT-65 View Post
    Flying in FSX I can't do a complete barrel roll with my X56 stick. Regardless of which plane I am flying when attempting a roll it goes to the half way point then flips back. When this happens it is very difficult to regain control. The plane will not go completely over. I also have an X52 with which I have no problem with this. Has anyone else had this experience with the X56?
    Names of the aircraft? No point criticising the stick if the aircraft is at fault!

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    He said with the other stick the many aircraft he used all work just fine.

    So there is nothing wrong with the aircraft themselves.

    I don't know the X56 that well but I would calibrate the X56 again. Also, probably best to have only one stick plugged in at a time.
    Last edited by il88pp; 05-17-2019 at 05:00 PM.

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    Yes, but he did not say WHICH airplane he had problem rolling or whether he rolled IT with the other stick. So some details are missing. The X56 stick is $250 and only has a 90 day Warranty in the USA, but 2 years in Europe (say WHAT?). It seems to be a stick with defective construction that quits working too soon and support is no help. His real 'problem' may very well be a junky controller. Buyer Beware.
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    Yes, but he did not say WHICH airplane he had problem rolling or whether he rolled IT with the other stick.
    He said: "Regardless of which plane I am flying when attempting a roll it goes to the half way point then flips back."

    Implying several aircraft involved.

    and he said: "I also have an X52 with which I have no problem with this. "

    Implying that "this" means the same aircraft and procedure, with only the stick changed.

    It would be helpful if the OP would come back and clarify all this. He's not responded to my question ( What is the "half way point?" ) in post #2 above, either.

    Larry N.

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    Thanks for all the responses. I am doing some extra research on this by trying the roll with even more aircraft. So far it seems that the aircraft with the problem are all my A2A planes and the VRS Superbug. I loaded up my Aerosoft F-16 and it rolled just fine. Another thing I noticed that is really strange is when viewing from the locked spot view the one A2A plane I checked, the Military P-51, rolled over correctly. but when using the Virtual Cockpit or just the Regular Cockpit it doesn't roll all the way over. Or at least it doesn't look like it does. As I said in the previous post it looks like it flips back at exactly the inverted position. And as I mentioned before this is not the case with the X52. Later today I am going to try this with some of the stock FSX aircraft and some other ones I have.
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    il88pp said: '.. probably best to have only one stick plugged in at a time.' Did you read this and notice? If you have two sticks plugged in that might be the 'real' reason you can't roll. X56 says 'rolling'...X52 says 'why am I rolling' and snaps you back upright. Could be simple as that. As long as you DO have both plugged in you WILL have the same (or other) problems with your controller (or, suspect: A2A, FSUIPC, Windows, FSX, Saitek, the Moon, the wife, the kids, your neighbor (?), bad Karma, etc). Ha.
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    No, I don't have both sticks plugged in at the same time. In fact, I had even uninstalled the X52 after checking the roll with it. Something I tried when testing yesterday was setting the Simulation Rate to Slowest so I could better see what was going on. It does, in fact, look like the plane is rolling all the way over. But just as it reaches the inverted position it jerks backward then forward and continues the roll. At normal speed this looks like it flips all the way back when it reaches the inverted position. I also tried a roll in every plane I had that I thought I could roll and they all do the same thing, including the F16 that I thought was OK. Also when watching in the spot plane view as the plane reaches inverted the nose drops down significantly before it continues the roll. I have also tried re-calibrating the stick including using the reg edit method. Which is basically a start over. At this point I don't know if it is a joystick problem or a video/display problem. I am going to go on the Logitech support forum and see if they know of a problem like this. I don't think it is this particular X56 stick because I actually have two of them and they both do the same thing. If it's the stick surely some other FSX simmers have the same problem. These people are hard to find though. It seems that most people using the X56 are Space flight simmers playing Elite Dangerous and the like.
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