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    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    Of course in the sim you can avoid all that and do whatever you like, but don't complain about the approach itself (or at least not for the wrong reasons).
    Thanks for the advice but since when is asking for advice considered a complaint? Just trying to learn, that's why I asked the question.

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    Basically, he's saying the default ATC in the Sim sucks. You won't get that FAF at all. Now fly in VATSIM with a plane that has a capable FMC and you'll get the proper approach. In the Sim I just willy nilly my way to the airport by varying the speed and VS accordingly. Ever try a 25L (I think it is) into Vegas from SLC? ATC has you go over the hills of the Hoover Dam and I have to watch my decent profile and watch my TAWS. This is especially true at night when it's harder to see. Try flying into Kathmandu once. That's a hairy *&^*[email protected] Especially CAT III.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueAero View Post
    Thanks for the advice but since when is asking for advice considered a complaint? Just trying to learn, that's why I asked the question.
    Asking for advice is not a complaint, and perhaps I misunderstood, but I took "This issue points out one of the inherent problems with FSX's ATC program. It just doesn't account for the limitations of pilots and aircraft when it comes to asking the impossible. " as a complaint. Sorry if I read it wrong.

    And certainly, FSX has its problems, but "asking the impossible" isn't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnuss View Post
    Asking for advice is not a complaint, and perhaps I misunderstood, but I took "This issue points out one of the inherent problems with FSX's ATC program. It just doesn't account for the limitations of pilots and aircraft when it comes to asking the impossible. " as a complaint. Sorry if I read it wrong.

    And certainly, FSX has its problems, but "asking the impossible" isn't one of them.
    Well, in the situation I found myself with my limited knowledge, it was indeed asking the impossible so I beg to differ. Anyway, it's all good. I learned from it and that's what I was aiming for by making the post so no harm, no foul.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRJ_simpilot View Post
    Basically, he's saying the default ATC in the Sim sucks.
    That's 100% correct. Thank you.

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    Keeping in mind that Default ATC ain't the brightest in the world, you can always ask for descent before they give you your approach. I just flew the route from KSFO to KSLC and chose FLT360 as my cruise altitude. I'm flying my 747. About 150 miles out, I request down to FLT220. From there it was easy-peasy to make the ILS approach to 34L.
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    I think the bottom line is, and this is how I approach (no pun intended) things, is that I make sure I gauge my distance to runway and slow down as necessary and use vs as necessary. I do have the help of a great WAAS gauge in my F-22 cockpit that tells me exactly how far I am to the runway. So I pay attention to that. Absent of that you should always program the approach in the GPS for situational awareness even though you'll use ILS and trust in the ATC to vector you on an intercept. This is how I roll. Sometimes there is no approach in the GPS for the given runway, and this is where real good piloting skills come in at.

    I'll have to make this flight into SLC on that runway and see what all the fuss is about. Granted to use ATC I'll have to manually enter the winds from the North.

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    I flew from Oakland to Salt Lake and I can see now what's going on. ATC had me maintain 13,000 for a very long time up to about 20 miles from the runway. In the video I kept saying 11,000, but it was 13,000. So I knew right away I had to slow down and set my vs to 3,000 FPM. They gave me 9,000 from the 13,000 feet I think it was and that is when I chose 3,000 feet per minute. From 23,000 I chose 5,000 FPM to come down to 13,000. I kept saying feet per second, but I meant feet per minute.

    So I was right, you need to reduce speed. I had to use speed brakes and once I got to flap 1 speed and retracted the speed break and started to add flaps accordingly.


    https://youtu.be/BZ7J9qzf3GA Chose 720p.
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    Thanks Bryan! Awesome vid (and terrific plane....where'd you get that beauty?). See YouTube for other comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRJ_simpilot View Post
    I flew from Oakland to Salt Lake and I can see now what's going on. ATC had me maintain 13,000 for a very long time up to about 20 miles from the runway. In the video I kept saying 11,000, but it was 13,000. So I knew right away I had to slow down and set my vs to 3,000 FPM. They gave me 9,000 from the 13,000 feet I think it was and that is when I chose 3,000 feet per minute. From 23,000 I chose 5,000 FPM to come down to 13,000. I kept saying feet per second, but I meant feet per minute.


    So I was right, you need to reduce speed. I had to use speed brakes and once I got to flap 1 speed and retracted the speed break and started to add flaps accordingly.

    https://youtu.be/BZ7J9qzf3GA Chose 720p.
    Aaron - Excellent video, you did great! Yes, I did hear "feet per second," but we knew what you meant!
    This is a tough ILS approach to landing, for sure. I flew the approach, "Localizer only," 34L is much more difficult to "ride out" than 34R, but either way, you did great!

    Some of the guys were talking about the proper way of approaching. 10000' at the IAF Fairfield, reducing altitude to 6100' to FFLAG and then fly your approach! Sounds easy enough, but not flying any of the larger jetliners! I flew the "Localizer only" approach, came in at Jetli 8700' then reducing altitude to ACIPO 8000', reducing altitude down to 6100' by the time I made it to FLLAG. It went okay, not anything pretty or anything to write home about, but your approach, Aaron, definitely impressed me!

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    Regardless of what approach I fly, I always make sure the route is in the GPS. As was said above one big key is knowing how far away you are from the airport. So you can plan your approach!

    If your aircraft doesn't have a dedicated gauge to tell you the direct to the specified runway distance, the GPS can tell you at least how far you are from the airport. Though it isn't always the specific runway you're directed to.

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