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Thread: A warning about FSLabs - Their installer logs your passwords!

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    Lost in all the noise is the rather interesting fact that this was "discovered and reported" by a P I R A T E who suddenly found his stolen toy no longer worked. Poor sod!
    Bill Leaming
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    Won't be buying anymore FSLabs products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n4gix View Post
    Lost in all the noise is the rather interesting fact that this was "discovered and reported" by a P I R A T E who suddenly found his stolen toy no longer worked. Poor sod!
    Pirate reporting pirate. Where's the honour among thieves?

    Especially the one attempting to pass themselves off as a legitimate developer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrUnSavory View Post
    Won't be buying anymore FSLabs products.
    Nah. If you buy there is no issue.
    The issue in this thread only appears when you are using a pirated version.
    See the link posted by davidjones to see the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il88pp View Post
    Nah. If you buy there is no issue.
    The issue in this thread only appears when you are using a pirated version.
    See the link posted by davidjones to see the details.
    And only if you are using P3D. Folks are seriously over-reacting to all this. Yes, it was a stupid idea, yes, it was an anti-piracy feature, yes, they have new installers that are DRM free. Now everybody take a breath.

    DJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by il88pp View Post
    Nah. If you buy there is no issue. The issue in this thread only appears when you are using a pirated version.
    Isn't that akin to saying we don't need judges or juries since you will never get arrested if you don't do anything wrong? What FSLabs did is against the law of numerous jurisdictions. There is no "but I think they're pirates!" exception in the law.

    Cheers!

    Luke

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjones View Post
    And only if you are using P3D. Folks are seriously over-reacting to all this. Yes, it was a stupid idea, yes, it was an anti-piracy feature, yes, they have new installers that are DRM free. Now everybody take a breath.

    DJ
    I can't get my head around how some people react so much to software piracy but seem unconcerned that FSL have actually committed an even greater crime (legally). It doesn't matter that the malware only kicks in if you've got pirated software. Just the fact that they installed malware on your system, no matter how briefly, is against the law in many countries. As someone said on another forum, it's also against the law to collect someone's private data (even from criminals) without either their consent or a court order. Apparently they even went as far as telling someone on a forum whose antivirus caught the malware to turn it off during installation as it was a false positive!

    "Folks are seriously over-reacting to all this" - really? You clearly don't understand the legal consequences of what FSL did.
    Last edited by lesh; 02-22-2018 at 03:03 PM.

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    Here are some thoughts of mine after having spent considerable time contemplating this situation:

    Armchair lawyering and finger-wagging is useless. Any investigation and possible litigation is best left to the appropriate authorities. We should all acknowledge that rampant speculation and hysteria can permanently damage a person's reputation and livelihood unfairly. Everyone deserves an opportunity to defend themselves against any accusers in a proper venue. Crucifixion in absentia is counter-productive in these situations.

    For Lefteris and FSLabs to attempt to mount any form of defense against all of the accusations and innuendo leveled against them in every single forum, reddit, facebook, et cetera venues would be as useless as a rural fire department attempting to control and contain all of the forest and house fires on the west coast by themselves.

    For this reason alone I feel that AVSIM and the BoD have made the correct decision to disallow such discussion there. I truly wish other websites and venues would have done the same. Let the appropriate authorities investigate and litigate, if such is needed.
    Bill Leaming
    Gauge Programming - 3d Modeling Military Visualizations
    Flightsim.com Panels & Gauges Forum Moderator
    Flightsim Rig: Intel Core i7-2600K - 8GB DDR3 1333 - EVGA GTX770 4GB - Win7 64bit Home Premium
    Development Rig1: Intel Core i7-3770k - 16GB DDR3 - Dual Radeon HD7770 SLI 1GB - Win7 64bit Professional
    Development Rig2: Intel Core i7-860 - 8GB DDR3 Corsair - GeForce GTS240 1GB - Win7 64bit Home Premium
    NOTE: Unless explicitly stated in the post, everything written by my hand is MY opinion. I do NOT speak for any company, real or imagined...

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    Makes me really like Windows 7 and FS9

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesh View Post
    I can't get my head around how some people react so much to software piracy but seem unconcerned that FSL have actually committed an even greater crime (legally). It doesn't matter that the malware only kicks in if you've got pirated software. Just the fact that they installed malware on your system, no matter how briefly, is against the law in many countries. As someone said on another forum, it's also against the law to collect someone's private data (even from criminals) without either their consent or a court order. Apparently they even went as far as telling someone on a forum whose antivirus caught the malware to turn it off during installation as it was a false positive!

    "Folks are seriously over-reacting to all this" - really? You clearly don't understand the legal consequences of what FSL did.
    You going to sue them? Do you even know what country they are in? Can you show damages? If not, give it a rest.

    DJ

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