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    I can't understand why payware developers would ignore the many people who had to much time and money invested with third party developers and stayed with FS2004! Just Flight payware has the excellent C-46 and Otter, but only for FX and 3D Flightsimulater. I'm sure I speak for a lot others who would pay for these aircraft if they were available in FS2004. Any good answers?

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    The primary, and really only, answer is economics. While there are some like yourself who would buy new add-ons for FS2004, it doesn't mean there are enough to justify the additional development and support costs for the developers. Seeing as developers are now even starting to drop FSX, the signs point towards the money being with the latest sim, not the old ones.

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    I guess it's the same reason why older smartphones do not receive software updates anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginopatrassi View Post
    I guess it's the same reason why older smartphones do not receive software updates anymore.

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    Sort of. There is a stronger incentive for Samsung and other smart phone manufacturers, as well as the likes of Verizon et al, to push people into buying new phones. On the other hand, third party add-on developers don't have as much to do with people upgrading the underlying sim. If everyone stayed on FS2004, they would stay there too. The higher expectations placed on add-ons, and increasing differences between the new and old sims, means it would take more effort, and thus time and money, to support more than one or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbenn52139 View Post
    I can't understand why payware developers would ignore the many people who had to much time and money invested with third party developers and stayed with FS2004!
    I think there are a lot fewer than you think. FS9 usage is now down to around 8% at my site, which is lower than XPlane. It's our #4 simuator platform.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    I think there are a lot fewer than you think. FS9 usage is now down to around 8% at my site, which is lower than XPlane. It's our #4 simuator platform.

    Cheers!

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    But how accurately does site usage reflect sim usage? People using older software have already downloaded most of what they want, and fewer new offerings mean fewer downloads, and they have already learned most of what they need about that software so aren't as active in the forums. While people with the newer software are more actively downloading and more active in the forums.

    Years ago I probably downloaded hundreds of meg of files every week (from here and elsewhere) and was fairly active in the forums; now I may download a couple of files a month and, though I stop by every day, am not very active in the forums. But FS9 is still my only sim, and will be for the foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgf View Post
    But how accurately does site usage reflect sim usage? People using older software have already downloaded most of what they want, and fewer new offerings mean fewer downloads, and they have already learned most of what they need about that software so aren't as active in the forums. While people with the newer software are more actively downloading and more active in the forums.
    Sorry I wasn't clear. I take my usage data from my virtual airline's flight data recorder, which automatically tracks simulator (plus sim version) per flight. I agree that it's not a completely accurate sample (because we simulate a specific airline so it's skewed towards heavy metal and that airline's specific aircraft) but it is definitely helpful for broad trends.

    What's even more interesting to me is that our own aircraft offerings are *heavily* skewed towards FS2004 given the lack of good freeware panels and VCs for FSX/P3D.

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    Like Loki said above. It is about supply and demand. The pool of FS2004 simmers is not enough to justify the expense of developing for older sims. The revenue just wouldn't be enough. The world moves on whether it be flight sims, cars, planes, computers, televisions, etc. etc.

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    It IS a shame, because fs9 is the last of the great FLIGHT simulations. The environment and ground colours are vastly superior to the other sims. Much more earthy realness.
    The ‘newer’ are more marketing at the app / gamer / gimmicky style user. Hence the washed out fake look to FSX/p3d. Only have to see the kids gawking at the screens they post of p3d saying how ‘awesome’ they look. Yet it makes fs98 look good. I’ve had my sim confused with p3d and xplane. A little embassaring.

    Being old, Doesn’t mean always that fs9 is a poor seller. Other wise they’d all be giving the scenery’s away. Depending on forums and especially VA’s etc, fs9 is still the most popular choice.

    Developers are just too lazy to do more than one. Or want the most return on the time put into it. Even FSX is slowly being phased out in this regard.

    But I’ve just purchased some new scenery recently for fs9. Still kicking along nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSMR View Post
    Even FSX is slowly being phased out in this regard.
    That statement is in the realm of "urban legends", and is simply not true. Awhile back a small handful of vendors published a manifesto to only make products for LM's training software, that's all. And considering the controversy and unresolved situations with that software, many of us thought they were quite daft to do so. In the meantime, there's a steady stream of new payware and freeware for FSX, much more than could ever be used in a lifetime. The "phasing out" of FSX is, as the crazies say, fake news.
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