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    I have had experience with all of the above mentioned sims except for the P3D variants, which for all practical purposes are just FSX with some improvements. I find that the MS sims and XPlane have differences most of which are due to the manner in which the sim treats the flight model. The result often seems to be that the XP planes are somewhat twitchier and tend to be a bit more unstable than the MS offerings, particularly the default airplanes in MS (which, although good, have never been known for high fidelity flight models). Some simmers consider this to be more "realistic", but having flown the real airplanes I think XP sometimes overdoes it. The left turning tendency you have found is perfectly realistic, though, and if you tried shoving the throttle full forward on a P-51 you would find yourself off the left side of the runway before you could react, not that there is even enough rudder travel on that airplane to handle the P factor prior to getting some airspeed and wind over the rudder! There are a great many tweaks that you can do with both sims, but most of us are not in a position to have a good enough idea of how the real thing flies to make those adjustments be anything other than "what we want".

    Overall, I think it is a tossup, especially now that high fidelity add on aircraft and also high fidelity scenery are available for both. Neither one would suit me right out of the box, although I admit that XP 11 comes much closer than FSX, which should be no surprise considering that it is brand new!

    Cost wise, FSX steam edition, particularly when it is on sale as it occasionally is, is the market leader in bang for the buck. I have seen it on sale for as little as $4.95. It will run better on a low end machine too, but from what you have told us you will have no worries along those lines!

    The FSX world is farther along in terms of add-ons, but XP is catching up fast, so there is no real angst to be felt there.

    Then again, you can always go with XP11 and look for FSXSE on sale for 5 bucks! Best of both worlds.

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    Thanks for the nice write up avallillo. I had considered P3D but unfortunately they don't accept paypal, so that is out of the question.

    I had looked at Flight Sim World but its only in Alpha and I want to see how Dovetail handles it before I put any money on it. I'm not sure Ill fly any heavies in any of these flight sims but it would be nice to have the option.

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    For fun, & just looking outside the box, have a look at FlightGear! - It's free!
    http://www.flightgear.org/

    It is surprisingly good, with VERY decent scenery & some great planes. (They have the most detailed Shuttle I've seen. It's worth the free download!

    FSW has no heavies at all, yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zswobbie1 View Post
    For fun, & just looking outside the box, have a look at FlightGear! - It's free!
    http://www.flightgear.org/

    It is surprisingly good, with VERY decent scenery & some great planes. (They have the most detailed Shuttle I've seen. It's worth the free download!....
    They could, however, be more specific with system requirements. "Runs on an $800 system", "you won't need $3000 worth of new hardware", isn't exactly informative.

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    Welcome back to this great hobby

    I remember seeing the results of a survey where people voted for things that made their flight simulator “enjoyable” and “smoothness” (lack of jumping and jitters) was the winner. Too much realism and too much graphics can adversely impact your frame rate.

    I do not know how tight is your “very tight budget”, but I get an experience that I like from a $900 PC, but I “settle-for” default scenery and mostly default airplanes and a cheap HOTAS. The software and add-on scenery, airplanes, controls are easier to manage than the initial “Gaming-PC”, my $900 rig is a good entry level rig. If you already have a good “Gaming-PC” then you can get into flight simming easily but if you have to buy a new gaming-pc then it might slow you down. Look around for threads about startup costs and annual budgets. Here is a cost related thread that I contributed to. https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showt...quot-Hmmm-quot

    Good luck
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    Last edited by JD-Slow-Thumbs; 05-29-2017 at 12:02 AM. Reason: treads > threads

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD-Slow-Thumbs View Post
    Welcome back to this great hobby

    I remember seeing the results of a survey where people voted for things that made their flight simulator “enjoyable” and “smoothness” (lack of jumping and jitters) was the winner. Too much realism and too much graphics can adversely impact your frame rate.

    I do not know how tight is your “very tight budget”, but I get an experience that I like from a $900 PC, but I “settle-for” default scenery and mostly default airplanes and a cheap HOTAS. The software and add-on scenery, airplanes, controls are easier to manage than the initial “Gaming-PC”, my $900 rig is a good entry level rig. If you already have a good “Gaming-PC” then you can get into flight simming easily but if you have to buy a new gaming-pc then it might slow you down. Look around for treads about startup costs and annual budgets. Here is a cost related thread that I contributed to. https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showt...quot-Hmmm-quot

    Good luck
    JD
    Thanks JD! Much appreciated. I've got the gaming PC covered thank goodness. It's a rather high end model since I like to play rather graphic intensive games. It's just getting the simulator I want now - or at least deciding which to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flightsimxpilot View Post
    Thanks JD! Much appreciated. I've got the gaming PC covered thank goodness. It's a rather high end model since I like to play rather graphic intensive games. It's just getting the simulator I want now - or at least deciding which to use.
    Keep in mind that most of these flight simulators are more CPU intensive than graphics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrzippy View Post
    Keep in mind that most of these flight simulators are more CPU intensive than graphics.
    Gotcha! I have a i7 7700K 4.20 GHz Processor which should hold up decently. Might need up upgrade my RAM to 34 or 64GB, sitting at 16GB right now. Of course once I get back on my feet that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatRace View Post
    Hm, yes and no. Most XP simmers use a combination of Alpilotx's HD Mesh scenery and SimHeaven's W2xp. You can downoad the files for free, or make a (small) donation. Other than that, it does require some work on your behalf, and you should carefully follow instructions.

    Also note that currently alpilotx's mesh scenery v3 is an older version. and v4 for XP11 is in the works.

    The relevant links are:
    http://www.alpilotx.net/downloads/x-...sh-scenery-v3/
    http://simheaven.com/?page_id=14813
    What addons do you use for your XP11 setup? If you don't mind me asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flightsimxpilot View Post
    What addons do you use for your XP11 setup? If you don't mind me asking.
    Well, apart from Alpilotx's HD Mesh scenery and SimHeaven's W2xp, I use Xenviro http://xenviro.net/ as a comprehensive weather addon, including real time weather.

    As I (almost) never fly heavies, I really don't have any addons in that area.

    All (payware) Alabeo/Carenado GA aircraft look great in X-plane, as they do in FSX or P3D I would imagine, and the flight models are more than adequate albeit not perfect.

    Also highly recommended is the Pipistrel Panthera v3 by Aerobask http://store.x-plane.org/Pipistrel-P...-v3_p_590.html

    But my absoute favourite is the Airfoillabs Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP, because it is a very realistic 'study level' aircraft, comparable to A2A (and IMHO even better!).
    https://www.airfoillabs.com/

    I don't fly choppers, but it is my understanding that the DreamFoil Bell 407 is the must have helicopter in XP.
    http://store.x-plane.org/Bell-407-XP10_p_299.html
    The X-Trident Bell 412 appears not to be too bad either http://store-x-plane-org.3dcartstore...412_p_326.html
    Maybe one day I'll give them both a try

    The choice of detailed payware airports may not be as extended as for FSX/P3D, but the Airports by Nimbus Simulation are very decent. I don't own all of them, but KORD and KMIA are excellent.
    http://store.x-plane.org/Airports-by...ion_c_158.html
    And last but not least, there are lots of freeware scenery (airfield) addons, to many to mention. Always worth checking out the flightsim libraries!
    Last edited by RatRace; 05-28-2017 at 12:58 PM.

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