NEW to VA: trying to orientate myself

Hello to all members of FlightSim,

It is my first post. It is done in a "new member" presentation area but here I did not find so I apologize if I missed it.

Going back to the Title:

I know this is not a new issue and I have read some posts about it. After reading I know for sure I need a help to orient myself in the big VA world.

Let me tell you how I like to fly so you can adress me to the right VAs.

I fly a Dash 8-Q311 of the Iceland coast guard.

and a Dash 8-Q202 for passengers service.

Very pleasant to fly!!! :cool:

Doing this job I fly both IFR and VFR, actually in the northern part of europe (scandinavia, North UK, Iceland) but I can extend my flights all over the world.

The IFR flights are those to move from one particular area/airport to another, both for passengers regional flights (Dash 8-202) or to move the coastal service in different areas (Dash 8-311).

The VFR flights are the ones planned to do the coastal service along the coastline at low altitude.

I like to fly following VFR or IFR rules, flight plans proposed by the VA or to be built. I use approach plates, ATC and so on.

I can fly regional routes as requested by the VA but I like also to fly the Coast Guards surveillance service along coastlines (sea, lakes, ..)

Now the question is:

Which one are the right VAs that would accept an "old" passionate pilot that wants to fly "their" scheduled flights and routes and, at the some time, that can give a coastal service to the agreed countries for a VFR coastal service?

Just as a small example I gave a look to:

http://www.virtualnorwegian.net

http://www.flyaka.com

http://www.vacanada.org

But I know there are a lot more and I cannot understand with just a quick look if they are right for me and, mainly, if I am right for them :o:confused:.

Can you address me?

Thank you for your patient.

Those terrific three virtual airlines that you mentioned do not cover what you need and do not use two planes that you love to fly.

Given your specific geographical flying areas and based on your two specific planes, you will be better off flying for Mountain Air virtual at its website http://www.mountain-air.org/ which offers free flights, any plane, and any livery you want.

I would recommend Virtual Norwegian due to its outstanding features but that does NOT meet your specific requirements.

What you need is a virtual airline offering free flight program while allowing you any plane and any livery so that you can fly your two specific planes along your specific geographic areas.

Another alternative is to fly for three or four virtual airlines covering your desired geographic areas but I doubt there is any VA offering local Icelandic flights.

Good luck!!

Regards,

Aharon

Dear Aharon,

Thank a lot... now one step more:

- I have fully read the http://www.mountain-air.org documents to understand the way they like to fly. They allow free flight but...they prefer, encourge and their "gaining points" policy reflects an "organized" flight. They like also commuter short range flights, that are my style. They are quite ideal for my passengers flight. Lastly..they use the DH8.202 that I like. ...thank you for your suggestion.

- about the VFR coastline flights they probably accept it but it is not their "style".

I realize that probably the right thing to do is joining 2 VAs: one for the passenger short range service (that I like) and one for the "special ops" like coastline survelliance.

At this point...dividing into two VAs...let me "gain again" from your long experience to widen my range of exploration:

- for the passenger service: any other interesting, also european suggestion? (eg: do you know http://www.airgreeceva.gr they seem as small as professionals whilst flying over the amazing Greece sky)....could you list solid short flights specialized VAs ?

- for the coastline service may be I have to join a special ops VA. I have seen http://www.virtualcoastguard.org. Other to give a look?

Sorry again Aharon...but I do not like to "join a VA to test"...I consider more respectable to read among many possible "right choces" ..then to decide and ask to join.

Thank you again,

Stefano

There are two ways of addressing your preferences. Either you opt for a VA that focuses on your geographical area or you opt for a VA that gives you the freedom to create your own missions.

Platinum Airways is in the second category. We apply the Open Skies principle: our pilots fly the mission of their choice with the aircraft of their choice at the time of their choice. In other words: although we don't have your preferences covered in flight suggestions out of our five voluntary hubs, you have total freedom to fly them as you please. We are pilot-focused, and not VA-centered. We don't want to prescribe how you would like to enjoy your hobby. We try to create a community via our forums and a lot of ideas, including a Destination of the Week, military flights, vintage military flights, cargo missions, sports related suggestions and much more. Our only conditions: min 18 years of age and have fun when flying.

Stefano,

Well there are many factors and some of them puzzling. You have mentioned your desire to fly ONLY two planes Dash8-200 and Dash8-300 yet you want to do coastline patrolling for US Coast Guard which does not even have those 2 specific planes.

Let me clear any misunderstanding up and present you suggestions but of course it is strictly up to you!!

As for Mountain Air, you do NOT NOT have to participate in their group flights and you do NOT NOT have to worry about their style. You can fly ANY FLIGHT, ANY PLANE, AND ANY LIVERY.

The Greek airline looks nice but does not have your two planes and if you join them, you will be limited to flights around Greek islands and into and out of Greece. That will not cover rest of Europe including your desired Icelandic area.

I fly for eight virtual airlines to cover every part of the world and I use Mountain Air whenever the other seven virtual airline do not cover the geographical aspects. But I doubt you can handle flying for eight virtual airlines.

So my advice is to join Mountain Air virtual airline and while flying for them, you can continue looking for one or two more virtual airlines to suit your flying pleasure and your specific geographical areas. As for me, whenever any of seven virtual airlines I am flying for do not cover specific airport that I would be in mood to fly into, I always can fall back to Mountain Air and use it to fly any plane and any livery I want to the airport.

REMEMBER IMPORTANT FACTORS when picking a virtual airline: look at pilot roster and see how many are flying. If a VA has 25 pilots, it is not good. Also, look at a VA's forums. If it is active, it is good. If it is dead forums, it is not good. Moreover, look how many years has the VA operated. If many years, it is good.

Here is the link for list of virtual airlines you can browse and look for:

https://vasops.vatsim.net/

Just scroll down and click on "Virtual Airlines+" icon or "Special Operations+" icon and see if any suits your specific geographic areas and your specific two planes. Also look for a virtual airline that offers you COMBO of scheduled routes and free flights.

Regards,

Aharon

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So my advice is to join Mountain Air virtual airline and while flying for them, you can continue looking for one or two more virtual airlines to suit your flying pleasure and your specific geographical areas.....

 

...REMEMBER IMPORTANT FACTORS when picking a virtual airline: look at pilot roster and see how many are flying. If a VA has 25 pilots, it is not good. Also, look at a VA's forums. If it is active, it is good. If it is dead forums, it is not good. Moreover, look how many years has the VA operated. If many years, it is good.

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I agree with the first point:...start with one, become confident with one VA, then look around to see one more, if necessary.

For the second point: ...thank you Aharon...this is a good way to filter the huge world of VA.

to StijnDP...

Thank you for your advice: your VA could be the one for my surveillance coastal VFR flights.

Now is the time to start with the first one.

Regards,

Stefano

Stefano,

Good luck with your flying for one or more virtual airlines!!

I fly for about eight virtual airlines covering specific part of geographic areas as seen below:

EL AL Alliance of EL AL, Israir, and Arkia virtual airlines at http://www.elalvirtual.com/main/ reason: covers my birthplace Israel

Eastern virtual airline at http://www.virtualeastern.com/

reason: covers entire America using classic jets

Norwegian Air virtual airline at https://www.virtualnorwegian.net/

reason: covers entire Europe

Alaska Airline virtual airline and its subsidiaries at http://www.flyalaskava.org/

reason: covers Alaska

Buffalo Airways Virtual at http://www.buffaloairwaysvirtual.com/

reason: use heavy iron classic props such as C-46, DC-4, DC-6, and Electras

Metro Air Virtual at https://metroairvirtual.com/

reason: covers America using modern jets plus code sharing with FlyUK virtual airline to cover England and Scotland

Caribbean themed virtual airline: still looking for one to cover Caribbean sea

Canadian themed virtual airline: still looking for one to cover Canada

Mountain Air virtual airline at http://www.mountain-air.org/

reason: cover whatever other mentioned virtual airlines do not have routes to

I love Paradise airline at http://www.paradiseairways.com/index_main.asp to cover Hawaii and Pacific rim but unfortunately it closed its doors.

Regards,

Aharon

Really a lot of funny and incredible job for you...

Now I am feeling like a kid for the new experience of VA :) . I want "to taste it" slowly and deeply...to get the maximum satisfaction.

I have registered in http://www.mountain-air.org and I have seen you in the roster.

Now I am waiting for the callsign.

Then I will study all documents...and I will start flying with them.

Hope to see you in the sky :pilot:

Ciao and really thank you again for your assistance.. (I am sure I will have to ask you many other things in the next future ;) )

Stefano

Stefano,

No problem. Have fun flying!! Always remember that you can find two or more virtual airlines to cover your desired geographical areas and you can rely on Mountain Air virtual airline to cover any airport that your next two virtual airlines do not offer routes to but you like the two virtual airlines enough to join!

Alaska Airline at http://www.flyalaskava.org/ with its subsidiaries do operate your desired planes: Dash8-100s and Dash8-200s if you feel like specializing flying within Alaska. Alaska Airline permit use of historic fleet planes which Dash8-200s are qualified for and Alaska airline's subsidiary Era Alaska operates Dash8-100s.

Regards,

Aharon

Dear Aharon,

I joined Mountain-air. Some flights done!!! Really a lot of fun. You can see me (MTN2892) in the active roster ...but I got some issues to solve:

1. I have chosen a password with a special chr (#). I think it is the reason I cannot send my logs with FSacars at the end of the flights (all flight plans had to be closed manually). I have asked to delete that chr. I will see.

2. They fly the Dash8-200 and 400. I am Flying a 300 :D

I have tested their 200 but it is not as complex and complete as that one I am flying (eg: I use VC the 200 and 400 they use has not). So I am Flying with "my" Aircraft. In the next future I will buy the Majestic DH8-400.

3. Can you explain me the policy of the VA in term of Aircraft and correct branding/painting? they choose some freeware and repaint them? Could be possibile to repaint the 300 or to ask them to do it? I am new to the VA world and I cannot realize how do they manage the fleet.

Thank you again and see you in the sky!

Stefano

The whole point as I see it when flying for a VA is to pretend you are an employee to that VA. A real pilot in the real world would never get hired by an airline and then say, excuse me I want to fly my own plane, I don't like what you fly.

When flying for a VA you are pretending to be employed by said VA. Just like in real life you show up and do what your employer ask of you, same thing here in a VA. They ask you fly the dash8 200 or 400, then that's what you do...remember your playing the pilot that got "hired".

... thought of some more stuff. This is why it's so important to find the correct VA for you, something that allows you to fly what you really want to fly.

Stefano,

MTN allows you to fly any plane you want. Glad to see you flying few flights for MTN and also glad to see you posting questions on the MTN forums. As for your password problem, you better contact the MTN VA CEO and owner Gary who will be more than happy to help you.

As for official MTN liveries, you are allowed to fly ANY livery as you please. MTN management paints MTN liveries only on official fleet planes BUT HOWEVER if you wish to have MTN livery on your Dash 8-300, you can post request for such livery on MTN forums so that other pilots, who are also talented livery repainters, can see your request and might paint the MTN livery on your favorite Dash 8-300 as long as the add on plane's paint kit exists.

Brainsommers, MTN's policy allows pilot to fly ANY plane he or she pleases.

Regards,

Aharon

The whole point as I see it when flying for a VA is to pretend you are an employee to that VA. A real pilot in the real world would never get hired by an airline and then say, excuse me I want to fly my own plane, I don't like what you fly.

 

When flying for a VA you are pretending to be employed by said VA. Just like in real life you show up and do what your employer ask of you, same thing here in a VA. They ask you fly the dash8 200 or 400, then that's what you do...remember your playing the pilot that got "hired".

 

... thought of some more stuff. This is why it's so important to find the correct VA for you, something that allows you to fly what you really want to fly.

It makes sense and I would like a lot to fly the VA planes: the fact is that the planes that they propose have no VC and, talking about the DH8, the 300 I am Flying is more complex than the 200 and 400 that they propose. My 300 has VC and some more instruments that increase the flight simulation.

regards,

Stefano

Stefano,

 

. As for your password problem, you better contact the MTN VA CEO and owner Gary who will be more than happy to help you.

 

As for official MTN liveries, you are allowed to fly ANY livery as you please. MTN management paints MTN liveries only on official fleet planes BUT HOWEVER if you wish to have MTN livery on your Dash 8-300, you can post request for such livery on MTN forums so that other pilots, who are also talented livery repainters, can see your request and might paint the MTN livery on your favorite Dash 8-300 as long as the add on plane's

 

Aharon

Dear Aharon,

to tell the truth, I have already posted with a private email, with a public post. And I did it twice..but, till now, no answer :).

This evening I have definitively asked a clear HELP!. we will se.

About the DH8C, the fact is that my freeware DH8C is failry better and more complex than the 200 ad 400 they propose.

Do you think I could suggest to change the 200 with the 300, or to add it in the fleet, I can give them the plane (freeware) and they could repaint it.

I will be happy to fly with a more realistic Aircraft with MTN livery, and they could increase their fleet with a nice new Aircraft.

What do you think?

regards,

Stefano

The whole point as I see it when flying for a VA is to pretend you are an employee to that VA. A real pilot in the real world would never get hired by an airline and then say, excuse me I want to fly my own plane, I don't like what you fly.

That may be true for part of the flight simulation fraternity, but definitely not for all. Not all VIRTUAL pilots want to mimick REAL-world operations. Many of them just want to enjoy their hobby. That's why there is so much choice in the VA landscape, and there is enough room for all of them.

That may be true for part of the flight simulation fraternity, but definitely not for all. Not all VIRTUAL pilots want to mimick REAL-world operations. Many of them just want to enjoy their hobby. That's why there is so much choice in the VA landscape, and there is enough room for all of them.

You know... I feel to be in the middle...

I like the Idea that an organisation (VA) try to propose and mimic an organized company, asking their pilot to fly routes that have been planned from a wider perspective. So they suggest the flights that I can, at the end of the day, choose..

But I like to imagine a VA so big and open to organize also charter flights, that sometimes can cover seasonal flights for vacation or other reasons over specific routes.

I like also the idea of a so big VA that, nearby the organized and planned routes and nearby the seasonal charter flights can give also special services to some states such as supplying cargo flights to take special goods in remote regions (South pole? Alaska?, many others), or to give special services to small states (eg: coastaline surveillance toghether with local coast guards) (local VFR flights) .

To summarize, such a big VA would have:

- a standard structured pax service (IFR in specific routes)

- plus some charters proposed and organized in relation to special event/holidays adddressing specific flights, in specific period of the year, in specific places

(IFR in occasional periods over specific places)

- plus special services for special region (cargo or pax) either IFR or VFR low altitude depending on the type of service )

Why not?:cool:

It would be organized and all the flights will be proposed by the VA (so not really random), addressing the possibility to propose fantastic places to fly, changing them month by month, and at the same time, able to cover different type of flights (IFR and VFR), matching different type of pilots (or following the different moods of the same pilot).

Dear Aharon,to tell the truth, I have already posted with a private email, with a public post. And I did it twice..but, till now, no answer :).This evening I have definitively asked a clear HELP!. we will see.

I noticed your tech support request post which one staff member answered your questions but he said he did not understand your question. My suggestion is to directly PM to the VA owner and CEO Gary and ask him for help with your unusual password problem.

About the DH8C, the fact is that my freeware DH8C is failry better and more complex than the 200 ad 400 they propose.Do you think I could suggest to change the 200 with the 300, or to add it in the fleet, I can give them the plane (freeware) and they could repaint it. I will be happy to fly with a more realistic Aircraft with MTN livery, and they could increase their fleet with a nice new Aircraft.What do you think?

Since MTN already has many different propeller planes including -200 and -400, I think there is no point for them to add to the fleet the -300 considering the MTN VA allows you to fly ANY plane meaning you can fly -300 any time you please. And as for MTN livery, you can post request for MTN livery for -300 on the MTN forums where the pilots can read your post and might volunteer to paint the MTN livery for you.

Regards,

Aharon

Looks like that MTN CEO and owner Gary fixed your password problem and hopefully will solve any problem that you might have experienced with ASCARS.

Regards,

Aharon

worldwide virtual allows you to fly what ever aircraft you want using there schedules & tour's or you can do your own custom flights. no rules no restricions... friendly forums with over 1400 active pilots. you can also fly on vatsim or ivao but you dont have to they have there own acars system...

http://www.worldwidevirtual.net/club/default.aspx

Looks like that MTN CEO and owner Gary fixed your password problem and hopefully will solve any problem that you might have experienced with ASCARS.

 

Regards,

 

Aharon

Yes Aharon,

As soon as Gary has deleted my first special letter, I have been able to send succesfully the log. So we can definitively state that acars does not like special letter in the password...be aware!!!!

Regards,

Stefano

To boofhead40

Thank you. I will surely check it.

At the moment I am enjoying Mountain-air, I follow 99% their flight (nonetheless some days ago, at the same time my wife was Flying from Miami intl to Grand Cayman, I did a charter flying the same simultated flight, route and wheather.... really funny!)

Regards,

Stefano