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  1. if your ignorant on the subject its ok to admit it you don't need to be insulting and arrogant just say 'i didn;t know that' it doesn't diminish you in any way
  2. about 8 minutes in paul sweitzer a name you may know as 1 of the most well known sailplane designers his 1st flights were in a primary glider
  3. guess again how did the wright brothers start start? in fact the very 1st flight was a manstrapping wings to his back and jumping off a hill they started with a bungy launch thaat only got them 5-10 feet off the ground in fact, if you watched the soaring documentary, the guy narrating it started his flying career with just that.. a single seat priimary doing bungy launches, then moved on to using a model a then to launching off a ridge, then finaly stepped up to a sailplane its right there in the video evidence i provided did you watch it
  4. sorry the 200 hours was for comercial rating and the source was memory just remembered the details wrong and the source for the primary glider use in training came from multiple sources, dozens of pilots who started their training that way, documentaries, the soaring museum, soaring magazine that had articles on it. kids i went to school with who were in cap i think wiki entries even yup from wiki [h=2]Modern primaries[/h]Modern versions of primary gliders are still built, but, while they are much like the originals in appearance, they are usually constructed with composites and safety enhancements. [h=2]Types[/h]Examples include: Bonomi BS.16 Allievo Bonomi Cloudcraft Dickson Primary Detroit G1 Gull DFS SG 38 Schulgleiter Elliotts Primary EoN Jongblood Primary Manuel VI Primary Payne I.C.1 Reynard R.4 Primary Sands Replica 1929 Primary Glider Schweizer SGP 1-1 Slingsby Grasshopper Slingsby Primary[2] Šoštarić Vrabac Stamer Lippisch Zögling[3] philadeelphia glider council had a beautiful slingby that was in use up untill just a few years ago when it was donated to the soaring musueam. i almost got a chance to fly it i think that actualy was a 2 seater side by side on fb i am also in several vintage and antique glider groups where its discussed often i dont know if every cap program used them but many did as the very 1st intro to flight
  5. there are rare crashes, usualy the result of a medical condition and yes they are investigated we lost an excelent pilot recently who even had a motorglider but had a heart attack
  6. wrong! they were only interested in glider flight then someone convinces wilbur to add an engine while orvile stayed committed to glider flight. in fact the powered flight was thought of as a novelty that wouldnt last
  7. condor just released 3 south african sceneries i'm waiting for some from kenya where my fiances from (luyha) and seat of your pants accurately describes it cause you can feel the lift and you become very sensative to the slightest motions of the air. you 'feel' for lift as much as look for it.. yiu can feel a thermal affecting you from pretty far off guiding you to it, by trying to steer you away from it. and when you fly right through 1 you might hit your head on the canopy if its strong. do you know of anywhere in kenya with soaring i plan on spending a month or so there each year also.. gliders give you the best views of any other planes
  8. cfr is that canadian in the fars its 200 hours in usa but in germany like i said my friend started at 9 and well the primary was only flown in the sim and i was just surprised by how much i had to push it forward to get that extra few knorts to reach approach speed when your sitting out in open air with your feet dangling over the ground ..perhaps the angle just looked alot steeper then it was i just remember having to push the stick and thinking god it looks like i'm pointing straight down its probably alot diferent sitting on that seat with nothing around you and that glider documkentary showed them using primary gliders 1st then stepping up tto some huge bulky ship no the primary gliders were single seat and they started em off with bungy launches onbly getting mayby 15 feet off the ground gliding maybe 30 and landing just to get a feel for it, then once ready launch off a hill, then a ridge. civil air patrol has uused them..as recently as 10 years ago, not sure if they still do
  9. and no you need 200 hours of solo flight if you have vast experience in other flying you can solo fast.. our founder soloes in just 14 mikl=nutes logged time. and was an instructor in 2 months but hes a bit of a legand most with no flight experience it takes 1 season (less if u fly daily0 to solo and 200 hours solo flight to get your license
  10. no no i never said it was complicated or hard to learn (gliding, soaring however takes alot more knowledge, even after 40 years your still learning new things. some of the pilots i fly with are in their 70s and stil go to seminars to advance their knowledge and still learn more to become a better pilot. like watching the water, for signs of where a wave is bouncing, or the swirl of a thermal) even while running a ridge watching the leaves on the trees for signs of a wind change. gliding is simple.. and yes kids can learn, in germany i know a girl who started at 9, by 18 was flying with the world champs all over the world. i met her when myspace was still a thing cause her profile photo was her sitting on the wing, with her feet dangeling in the air 20,000 feet over the himalayas shes now flying in world championship competitions so literaly almost anyone can learn but you know since you have glidser experience how when you fly cross country your constantly looking at where you can land, choosing your rout based on availability of landing fields. and in the primary, yes the best l/d is maybe 8 or 9 to 1 but not at approach speed which you have to push the stick forward to speed up and come in at a pretty steel slope then flair when your closer to the runway and YES THEY DO USE THEM TO TEACH FLIGHT not everywhere but many cadet training programs use them as the 1st introduction to flight. the pint is that if you learn to think like a glider pilot, your always more prepared for any emergency situation and react mkore appropriately.. thats it, thats the entire point
  11. a 233 is a sailplane, meaning it is capable odf usinglift and gaining height. a primary glider like the old biplanes have no surfaces to create drag except the fusalage itself, steepening the glide slope is accomplished by slip only. however the primary gliders glide slope is already so steep that your pretty much on final from launch. (from a ridge top into a valley, or often bungy launched and landing in the same feild you launch from) they have no cockpit, open air. the wright flyer is an example of a primary glider the reason the soaring missions are barely mentioned is.. they suck.. sure its a taste of what soaring is, how to thermal or use ridge lift.. thats it it doesn;t compare to the thrill of racing through the alps at 5 knots below vne for 600 miles (i've actualy done 14 1/2 hours and 1300 miles world record distances twice) and to the guy going on and on about sales information is not sales its information when your flying a cessna or a mig, are you constantly aware of where you will land if you lose an engine? do you always know at every moment how far you canmake it based on altitude if your engine fails? this is why, no matter what you fly, if you have glider experience, your always automaticly a better pilot i believe a cessna is roughly 5-1 a 747 13-1 a wingsuite is similar to a primary glider 3-1 while sailplanes are 40-1 to 70-1 ofcourse your speed changes that.. thats at your best lift/drag speed knowing the performance of your plane, any plane, power off at a specific speed letsyou know whether you can make it to an airfield, or, like skully, have to land in a river or field. then you can look at many airline accidents that were the result of pilot error. 1 in particular comes to mind when the ap suddenly kicked off in this plane the pilot and copilots controls were not linked but the pilots overrode the copilots when the ap went off the pilot pulled back on the stick to prevent a dive causing astall, the copilot did the right thing and pushed forward. it wasn't untill they were at 2500 ft that the copilot asked wait, are you pulling back on the stick? and by that point, there was no hope for recovery.. the pilot, too dependent on the ap, held it in a stall till it was too late. this is again a case where having the experience of "pure flight' unpowered, not reliant on advanced avionics, and 100% hands on stick flying the pilots reactions would have been appropriate for the situation, and the crash averted. i don't see how info that could be lifesaving is 'agressive sales pitches' and i only mentioned our org because of the fact that our founder who has multiple world records prefers gliders. in fact, our chief safety officer just recently earned his master pilots rating.. a rating very few in history ever achieve. yet he too prefers gliders. i would suggest you search out 'virtual soaring' forums. the soaring/glider dynamics in most sims just suck.. like for instance in fsx the tow rope just waggles around comically with no realism at all. but when it comes to soaring sims, (especialy the competition soaring sims like condor) theres a very active community. and i would say 99-100% are realworld glider pilots. several are some of the top competition pilots. in the european condor club condor-club.eu the top pilot has flown over 250,000 miles and to the same guy thats been kinda nasty with all the sales talk yes its my 1st post is this how you welcome new members? actualy been a member a few years probably from when i wasted alotta $ on fsx and addons and weather mods (i'm only interested in soaring) and it just was so lacking here this kinda covers the whole history of soaring it was orville wright who thought, and was right, that unpowered flight would someday be sustainable for up to 10-12 hours and hundreds of miles, even over 1000
  12. as a disabled pilot you should be extra interested since soaring is the most accessible form of flight, and you can get back in the air http://www.freedomswings.org that i'm on the board of over 40 years ago added hand controls to a glider and now itts a standard option on dozens of gliders in fact this guys 1 of the worlds best thats from the world glider championships last year i never expected such a negative argumentative group
  13. primary gliders liker the 1 in the photo have no dive brakes or spoilers. and just to speed up to approach speed your pointed down at 25 or 30 degrees ..maybe less but when your sitting on whats basicly a lawnchair out in the open air, it sure seems like an extreme angle. approach speed i would guess is a 3-1 glideslope steeper then a cessna at best glide slope. and thats my point when every single landing is an engine off approach where you have to get it perfect every rtime its nit just a matter of training once and forgetting it, but its muscle memory, something your extremely proficient at
  14. are you assuming that no simers are real pilots/ because this post specifically says why every PILOT should have glider experience
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