• Review: Milviz T-38A Talon Redux

    T-38A Talon Redux

    Publisher: Milviz

    Review Author:
    Dale Ashcroft

    Suggested Price:
    $59.99

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    Milviz - T-38A Talon Redux for Prepar3D

    Aircraft Description

    The following is a direct quote from Wikipedia:

    The Northrop T-38 Talon is a two-seat, twin-engine, supersonic jet trainer. It was the world's first supersonic trainer and is also the most produced. The T-38 remains in service as of 2020 in several air forces.

    The United States Air Force (USAF) operates the most T-38s. In addition to training USAF pilots, the T-38 is used by NASA. The U.S. Naval Test Pilot School is the principal US Navy operator (other T-38s were previously used as USN for dissimilar air combat training until replaced by the similar Northrop F-5 Tiger II). Pilots of other NATO nations fly the T-38 in joint training programs with USAF pilots.

    As of 2019, the T-38 has been in service for over 50 years with its original operator, the United States Air Force.

    Aircraft Specifications

    • Maximum speed: 746 kn (858 mph, 1,382 km/h)
    • Maximum speed: Mach 1.3
    • Range: 991 nm (1,140 mi, 1,835 km)
    • Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m)
    • Rate of climb: 33,600 ft/min (171 m/s)
    • Wing loading: 69.53 lb/sq ft (339.5 kg/m2)
    • Thrust/weight: 0.65
    • Crew: 2

    PC Specs

    Recommended

    • Prepar3D version 4.5.12.30293
    • Intel i5 or AMD equivalent 2.6 GHz or higher
    • 8 GB RAM
    • DirectX®11 compliant video card 4 GB video RAM or higher
    • Windows 10 / 7
    • 2 GB available space

    Testing Specs

    • P3D v4.5
    • Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor
    • Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2x16 GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200 MHz
    • Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Dual OC 8192 MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card
    • Microsoft Windows 10 Home Advanced
    • Samsung 1 TB 860 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6 Gbps 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive

    Cost And Installation

    At the time of writing this review the aircraft was priced at a reasonable $59.99 (£47.74). The download size wasn't too big coming in at 344.2 MB. The download from the FlightSim.Com Store was quick and painless with only a few clicks of the mouse required.

    Milviz - T-38A Talon Redux for Prepar3D

    Installation wasn't too tricky. You are required to register the product upon installation. Also MVAMs is installed which I will talk about later. There is only the option to install the product into P3D v4.5

    Tags: milviz, t-38, t-38a, talon

    4 Comments
    1. avallillo's Avatar
      avallillo -
      Excellent review!

      Having flown the T-38 for the then-standard 100 hours or so in Pilot Training back when it was somewhat newer (1972!) I can say that with but one exception it flies remarkably like a real T-38. The exception, sadly, is approach and landing. I have bought both the original and the later improved FSX versions of the Milviz T-38, and both manifest very touchy handling on approach.

      Mind you, this is to a certain degree realistic; but the way it gives up, and falls out of the sky rocking and buffeting when you get a mere knot or two slow, is not the way I remember it. In fact, considering that USAF student pilots start flying this with only 100 hours or so in their logbooks, if it handled in real life like it does in FSX the ground would be littered with T-38 parts and the graveyards at UPT bases would be full of hapless students. Neither has been the case.

      That is the only fly in an otherwise outstanding ointment.
    1. Dudley Henriques's Avatar
      Dudley Henriques -
      Quote Originally Posted by avallillo View Post
      Excellent review!

      Having flown the T-38 for the then-standard 100 hours or so in Pilot Training back when it was somewhat newer (1972!) I can say that with but one exception it flies remarkably like a real T-38. The exception, sadly, is approach and landing. I have bought both the original and the later improved FSX versions of the Milviz T-38, and both manifest very touchy handling on approach.

      Mind you, this is to a certain degree realistic; but the way it gives up, and falls out of the sky rocking and buffeting when you get a mere knot or two slow, is not the way I remember it. In fact, considering that USAF student pilots start flying this with only 100 hours or so in their logbooks, if it handled in real life like it does in FSX the ground would be littered with T-38 parts and the graveyards at UPT bases would be full of hapless students. Neither has been the case.

      That is the only fly in an otherwise outstanding ointment.
      Developers creating a flight model for the 38 will be faced with a daunting task to recreate the approach behavior for the 38. As I'm sure you are aware as well as me the 38's behavior on approach on one side of the equation is beautiful. On the other hand from the base turn on down the final things can get pretty nasty as far as developing a sink rate if your numbers on fuel addition are off a bit. Of course having an indexer and flying the donut solve for your GW speed on final, but all this being said, I rank the 38 as one of the most critical planes I have ever flown concerning the approach.

      Don't get me wrong. I loved flying the airplane. It's a blast and handles beautifully, but the extreme left side of the envelope on approach has nailed more than one otherwise good pilot who got a bit lazy on final in this aircraft.
      I tried the A model in FSX and uninstalled it for the same reasons you have stated here. I haven't flown the Redux in P3D and I don't know if Milviz tweaked it to improve the approach behavior. Last word I had from them was that they had very good T38 pilots working on the flight model so I didn't press them.
      Dudley Henriques
    1. naruto kun's Avatar
      naruto kun -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dudley Henriques View Post
      Developers creating a flight model for the 38 will be faced with a daunting task to recreate the approach behavior for the 38. As I'm sure you are aware as well as me the 38's behavior on approach on one side of the equation is beautiful. On the other hand from the base turn on down the final things can get pretty nasty as far as developing a sink rate if your numbers on fuel addition are off a bit. Of course having an indexer and flying the donut solve for your GW speed on final, but all this being said, I rank the 38 as one of the most critical planes I have ever flown concerning the approach.

      Don't get me wrong. I loved flying the airplane. It's a blast and handles beautifully, but the extreme left side of the envelope on approach has nailed more than one otherwise good pilot who got a bit lazy on final in this aircraft.
      I tried the A model in FSX and uninstalled it for the same reasons you have stated here. I haven't flown the Redux in P3D and I don't know if Milviz tweaked it to improve the approach behavior. Last word I had from them was that they had very good T38 pilots working on the flight model so I didn't press them.
      Dudley Henriques
      It received several updates over the past 2 years due to PTN IPs and KEDW test pilots giving it a workover.
    1. clankilp's Avatar
      clankilp -
      I'm one of the lucky few civilians to have grabbed the Charlie model before it was removed from public sale.

      Fantastic addon and i really wish MV could figure out how to put it back out to the public. Perhaps when the Red Hawk takes over IRL?

      I've never piloted anything more complex than a Piper bug smasher, but the custom "external flight model" in this addon handles far and away better than the typical P3D offering.

      My only frame of reference to this is the DCS F-5 Tiger, a cousin to the Talon, and a model with a very good FM of it's own.

      They handle fairly similarly in-sim, and as noted in the first comment, base and final can get lethal on both if angle of bank and airspeed are not respected. How accurate that is to real life, i have no idea, but it makes sense given the aircraft's plan form.

      In any case, this addon is so good (IMHO) that it is one of the only reasons I keep on flying P3D these days (A2A's birds being the others).
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