• Review: Milviz - F-100D Super Sabre

    F-100D Super Sabre

    Publisher: Milviz

    Review Author:
    Ray Andersen

    Suggested Price:
    $59.99

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    Intro

    The F-100D Super Sabre is a supersonic, single seat, single engine, low wing, military jet fighter-bomber aircraft built by North American Aviation and a member of the F100-series which was been built starting in the early 1950s. It is powered by one Pratt & Whitney J57-P-21-/21A turbojet with a dry thrust of 10,200 lbf (45 kN) and with a total of 16,000 lbs (71 kN) with full afterburner.

    Milviz F-100D

    The aircraft is very easy to recognize for its oval air intake in the nose and was one of the key aircraft used by the USAF in the Vietnam War before it was succeeded by the A-7 Corsair. The F-100 series was the immediate successor to the F-86 Sabre and was the first USAF fighter aircraft capable of supersonic speed during level flight. Several models of the F-100 were created but this review will only focus on the F-100D model.

    General Information (all of the F-100 series) & Aircraft Specs (Only F-100D)

    Produced by North American Aviation
    First Flight 25th of May 1953
    Introduction 27th of September 1954
    Role Fighter/Fighter-Bomber
    Status Retired (USAF in 1979)
    Produced 1953 - 1959
    Built 2,294
    Unit Cost US$697,029 (F-100D)
    Succeeded North American F-86 Sabre
    Successor North American F-107

    Primary Users:

    • United States Air Force
    • Turkish Air Force
    • Republic of China Air Force
    • French Air Force
    • Royal Danish Air Force

    Milviz F-100D

    F-100D Specifics (from Wikipedia):

    Crew 1
    Length 50 ft (15.2 m)
    Wingspan 38 ft 9 in (11.81 m)
    Height 16 ft 23/4 in (4.95 m)
    Wing Area 400 ft2 (37 m2)
    Empty Weight 21,000 lb (9,500 kg)
    MTOW 34,832 lb (15,800 kg)
    Power plant Pratt & Whitney J57-P-21/21A turbojet
    Max Speed 750 kts (864 mph / 1,390 km/h / Mach 1.3)
    Range 1,733 nm (1,995 mi / 3,210 km)
    S-Ceiling 50,000 ft (15,000 m)
    Rate of Climb 22,400 ft/min (114 m/s)
    Thr./Weight 0.55
    Armament Various configurations

    20 Comments
    1. pjevans's Avatar
      pjevans -
      The long take off run is very true to life, especially with a high loading, several you tube videos showing this to some effect..Not very good at accelerating to take off speed !!
    1. smoky's Avatar
      smoky -
      $59.99 ridiculous.
    1. lear45xr's Avatar
      lear45xr -
      I have the F100, smoky is right. Not worth $60.
      It's good, but again these developers are trying to price people out of the market. How about a fair price ($35?) and go for volume? Novel concept.
    1. btwallis's Avatar
      btwallis -
      The only thing preventing me from buying many or all the planes from Milviz and for that matter A2A is their price point. As lear45xr says, $35....and they would sell many more planes, including to me. Its simple, the MacDonald's hamburger approach, volume provides the same $$ return. $60 is pushing it and that's US$ so for Canadians that is $80+. And when they charge specifically for an FSX and P3D version, the same cost....also doesn't help sales.
    1. davidjones's Avatar
      davidjones -
      As to price. If you want a hamburger, go buy a hamburger. If you want fine aircraft models go to A2A or MilViz.

      DJ
    1. SSI01's Avatar
      SSI01 -
      Quote Originally Posted by pjevans View Post
      The long take off run is very true to life, especially with a high loading, several you tube videos showing this to some effect..Not very good at accelerating to take off speed !!
      I've noted it's a little difficult to start the engine from a cold & dark cockpit using just the switches and instructions with the aircraft - I've had to employ "ctrl +e" to get her to crank, however, it's just to ignite the engine; once she's fired up this bird will function as advertised.

      Many of the maintenance guys in my old squadron started out as maintainers on F-100s and still had great affection for the bird in spite of the fact it could be a maintenance nightmare. Their attitude was this was how you learned to be a good mechanic - or pick another career field.
    1. evm's Avatar
      evm -
      Quote Originally Posted by btwallis View Post
      The only thing preventing me from buying many or all the planes from Milviz and for that matter A2A is their price point. As lear45xr says, $35....and they would sell many more planes, including to me. Its simple, the MacDonald's hamburger approach, volume provides the same $$ return. $60 is pushing it and that's US$ so for Canadians that is $80+. And when they charge specifically for an FSX and P3D version, the same cost....also doesn't help sales.
      That approach only works if you are actually selling in significant numbers. It does not work in the FS world where you are lucky to sell a couple of hundred copies and very lucky if it amounts to a couple of thousand. IMHO the price points today just reflect the customer base getting smaller and smaller.
    1. pinkyjr's Avatar
      pinkyjr -
      Ahh...the fun of flying a fighter in FSX with no weapons to deploy!
    1. CHRISRD's Avatar
      CHRISRD -
      Quote Originally Posted by davidjones View Post
      As to price. If you want a hamburger, go buy a hamburger. If you want fine aircraft models go to A2A or MilViz.

      DJ
      I've purchased quite a few "fine aircraft models" from Alabeo, Carenado, FSD and the like that didn't cost near what this F100 costs. Besides, just how much fun do you get out of flying a top notch fighter in a non combat sim like FSX? It's just boring holes like any other aircraft.
    1. CHRISRD's Avatar
      CHRISRD -
      Quote Originally Posted by evm View Post
      That approach only works if you are actually selling in significant numbers. It does not work in the FS world where you are lucky to sell a couple of hundred copies and very lucky if it amounts to a couple of thousand. IMHO the price points today just reflect the customer base getting smaller and smaller.
      I think it's just the opposite situation. The higher prices are keeping folks from purchasing. Why buy one for sixty when I can buy two for thirty apiece and have some variety? Another factor I suspect is the "No Return Policy" which is in place for obvious reasons but it causes some buyers to be reluctant to buy. What if I don't like it? I just threw away $60.00. And there's no "Preowned" market to recoup your money either, again for very obvious reasons. (Pssst! Hey buddy,ya wanna buy a used F-100? Only been downloaded once and never flown over Mach .95. I can make ya a good deal.)

      What would be very beneficial to this discussion is for a group like Milviz or one of the other top sellers to get on here and tell us how many copies of the average product they actually do sell and what are the development and production costs.
      I have absolutely no gripe with a company making a fair profit on their time and effort; that's what keeps these folks turning out more great aircraft.
    1. flightman's Avatar
      flightman -
      Milviz fast jet sims used to be sold for $45, which was more realistic. The prices went up to $60 when they bundled the FSX and P3D installers. I think $45 is a fairer price for what you get. That being said I really like this sim. As good as their F-4. The Super Sabre is a high performance jet with some tricky handling which is well modelled.
    1. flightman's Avatar
      flightman -
      Quote Originally Posted by CHRISRD View Post
      I've purchased quite a few "fine aircraft models" from Alabeo, Carenado, FSD and the like that didn't cost near what this F100 costs. Besides, just how much fun do you get out of flying a top notch fighter in a non combat sim like FSX? It's just boring holes like any other aircraft.
      The F-100 has TacPack functionality. If you own the VRS TacPack you can operate the weapons.

      The F-100 is much more demanding to fly than a Carenado or Alabeo GA aircraft. That's where the extra satisfaction comes from.
    1. flightjim's Avatar
      flightjim -
      Quote Originally Posted by CHRISRD View Post
      I think it's just the opposite situation. The higher prices are keeping folks from purchasing. Why buy one for sixty when I can buy two for thirty apiece and have some variety? Another factor I suspect is the "No Return Policy" which is in place for obvious reasons but it causes some buyers to be reluctant to buy. What if I don't like it? I just threw away $60.00. And there's no "Preowned" market to recoup your money either, again for very obvious reasons. (Pssst! Hey buddy,ya wanna buy a used F-100? Only been downloaded once and never flown over Mach .95. I can make ya a good deal.)

      What would be very beneficial to this discussion is for a group like Milviz or one of the other top sellers to get on here and tell us how many copies of the average product they actually do sell and what are the development and production costs.
      I have absolutely no gripe with a company making a fair profit on their time and effort; that's what keeps these folks turning out more great aircraft.
      Utterly ridiculous, there's not a company in the world stupid enough to share their sales, marketing, and costs data with the public and their competitors. And you have absolutely no idea what this company's balance point is between pricing and volume - none. What you "think" it is, is totally meaningless.

      This bizarre practice of gamers thinking they are part of a "team" or "shared market" of some kind, and that gamers have some kind of expertise in game development and marketing is both sad and pitiful.

      If you don't like the price of a product, then state so and don't buy it. No developer "owes" insight into whether their pricing is "fair" to buyers, they will either succeed or fail based upon their own efforts.
    1. CHRISRD's Avatar
      CHRISRD -
      Quote Originally Posted by flightjim View Post
      Utterly ridiculous, there's not a company in the world stupid enough to share their sales, marketing, and costs data with the public and their competitors. And you have absolutely no idea what this company's balance point is between pricing and volume - none. What you "think" it is, is totally meaningless.

      This bizarre practice of gamers thinking they are part of a "team" or "shared market" of some kind, and that gamers have some kind of expertise in game development and marketing is both sad and pitiful.

      If you don't like the price of a product, then state so and don't buy it. No developer "owes" insight into whether their pricing is "fair" to buyers, they will either succeed or fail based upon their own efforts.
      Personally what I think is sad and pitiful is your little attitude. The only "bizarre practice" I see here is your expertise in the field of mind reading as reflected in the following: "This bizarre practice of gamers thinking they are part of a "team" or "shared market" of some kind, and that gamers have some kind of expertise in game development and marketing is both sad and pitiful."

      Thank you so much for your insight. Where in my comment did you find that I thought the developers "owed" us anything? And who ever mentioned that they had game development or marketing expertise? I can't imagine anyone who has commented here thinks he/she is part of a "team." More than likely they all fall into the category of "Consumer."

      The point I was trying to make, which you obviously missed completely, was perhaps a little explanation of what actually goes into the development of a sim addon just might make the pricing seem more reasonable and therefore more palatable to the wallet. Is it really all that difficult to explain while referring to a generic "average" addon scenario? Perhaps if more gamers understood the complexities and the profit margins involved they might be more apt to support the developers and stay off the freebee torrent sites. (Yeah, I know wishful thinking at its best.)
    1. CHRISRD's Avatar
      CHRISRD -
      Quote Originally Posted by flightman View Post
      The F-100 has TacPack functionality. If you own the VRS TacPack you can operate the weapons.

      The F-100 is much more demanding to fly than a Carenado or Alabeo GA aircraft. That's where the extra satisfaction comes from.

      TacPack is a great addon but what I was really thinking about was air to air combat. Now if I can only figure out how to get TacPack operational in the default B747.....Hmmm......Ha-Ha!!
    1. Coneman's Avatar
      Coneman -
      Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
      $59.99 ridiculous.
      +1
    1. lear45xr's Avatar
      lear45xr -
      Quote Originally Posted by CHRISRD View Post
      Personally what I think is sad and pitiful is your little attitude. The only "bizarre practice" I see here is your expertise in the field of mind reading as reflected in the following: "This bizarre practice of gamers thinking they are part of a "team" or "shared market" of some kind, and that gamers have some kind of expertise in game development and marketing is both sad and pitiful."

      Thank you so much for your insight. Where in my comment did you find that I thought the developers "owed" us anything? And who ever mentioned that they had game development or marketing expertise? I can't imagine anyone who has commented here thinks he/she is part of a "team." More than likely they all fall into the category of "Consumer."

      The point I was trying to make, which you obviously missed completely, was perhaps a little explanation of what actually goes into the development of a sim addon just might make the pricing seem more reasonable and therefore more palatable to the wallet. Is it really all that difficult to explain while referring to a generic "average" add on scenario? Perhaps if more gamers understood the complexities and the profit margins involved they might be more apt to support the developers and stay off the freebee torrent sites. (Yeah, I know wishful thinking at its best.)
      Wake up chrisrd. Flightjim gets it. "perhaps a little explanation of what actually goes into the development of a sim addon just might make the pricing seem more reasonable and therefore more palatable to the wallet." Are you kidding me! Developers are simply pricing themselves out of the market. I've bought my last expensive add on. I wonder if the developers would rather sell a thousand at $60 or three thousand at $35?

      Perhaps if more developers wake up and see their products are overpriced and they are starting to look greedy then consumers might be more apt to support the developers and stay off the freebee torrent sites. Then they wonder where they can't sell as many software packages as they want. I'm just sayin"
    1. flightman's Avatar
      flightman -
      Quote Originally Posted by CHRISRD View Post
      TacPack is a great addon but what I was really thinking about was air to air combat. Now if I can only figure out how to get TacPack operational in the default B747.....Hmmm......Ha-Ha!!
      The MilViz F-100D has cannon and sidewinders, so you can blast away at anything in the virtual sky.
    1. davido53's Avatar
      davido53 -
      I bought for half price when it was on sale.

      Can anyone fix my artificial horizon, however? It doesn't work.
    1. ftldave's Avatar
      ftldave -
      Hey big spenders! Welcome to the "free" market!

      In the file library ... won't cost you a cent!

      FSX North American F-100F Super Sabre Update
      f-100f_super_sabreupx2.zip
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