• Review: Eaglesoft Citation X V2

    Citation X V2

    Publisher: Eaglesoft

    Review Author:
    Gustavo Mercado

    Suggested Price:
    $49.95

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    Intro

    I have been out of the reviewing circle for a while, first and foremost it seems I am always waiting for the same things, the FSlabs A320, the revised version of the PMDG 747, and all of the things that come with the most important goodies we are anxiously awaiting. After shooting for the Carenado Caravan last year, and the great satisfaction that came with it, and given I still have a good amount of time before I sink in to the Fslabs A320 waiting game, I thought it might be a good moment to once again try something new. The bizjet is the category I have yet to try, I usually center my attention on the airliners (the bigger the better) but why not this time give the other side of the coin a try? Looking into the FlightSim.Com site I saw the news of the new version release of an old classic, the Citation X and I had to jump in at the opportunity to give it a try.

    Eaglesoft Citation X
    Image supplied by Eaglesoft

    The Citation X is a very special plane for various reasons. Although the family was named after the great thoroughbred who won the Triple Crown in 1948 (it took three decades for another horse to win this distinct honor, Secretariat) the original members of the Citation Jet line were sturdy, with great handling, but SLOW. Compared to their Lear counterparts the Citations were not the airplane to go to if speed was what you wanted to have. Can't stop thinking about the irony this represents when you name a whole line of jets after one of the fastest horses to ever hit a racing track.

    Anyway, the Citation X was the response Cessna gave to those who made fun of the Citations. I can imagine somebody in some board meeting who loves horse racing telling the CEO of Cessna, listen you named your jets after a legendary racing horse, and yet Lear gets the better of them in speed all the time! I can picture the Cessna CEO sitting in his office thinking, I'll show them all a lesson! Well the lesson was the Citation X.

    It first flew the 21 of December of 1996, with a list price of close to 23 million US dollars. According to Cessna it is still the fastest private jet in the universe. The Citation X is powered by two Rolls Royce engines, on two different variations, another first for Cessna. Depending on the variation you want they can either produce 6400 POT or 6700 POT. Honeywell provides the avionics for the beautiful glass cockpit with dual flight management systems.

    General characteristics are as follows:

    • Crew: 2
    • Capacity: 12 passengers
    • Length: 72 ft 4 in (22.05 m)
    • Wingspan: 63 ft 7 in (19.38 m)
    • Height: 19 ft 2 in (5.84 m)
    • Wing area: 527.0 ft2 (48.96 m2)
    • Aspect ratio: 7.8:1
    • Empty weight: 21,600 lb (9,798 kg)
    • Max. takeoff weight: 35,700 lb or 36,100 lb (16,374 kg)
    • Powerplant: 2 x Rolls-Royce/Allison AE 3007C or 3007C1 turbofan, 6,442 lbs or 6,764 lbs (28.66 kN or 30.09 kN) each

    Eaglesoft Citation X

    Performance

    • Maximum speed: Mach .935 (MMO)
    • Cruise speed: 527 KTAS (604 mph, 972 km/h) at 35,000 ft (10,700 m)
    • Range: 3,216 nmi (3,700 mi, 5,956 km)
    • Service ceiling: 51,000 ft (15,545 m)
    • Rate of climb: 3,650 ft/min (18.6 m/s)
    • Takeoff distance: 5,140 ft (1,567 m)
    • Landing distance: 3,400 ft (1,036 m)
    • Fuel capacity: 1,926 US gallons, 7,291 L

    19 Comments
    1. Karl's Avatar
      Karl -
      Isn't this product 7 or 8 years old? I seem to recall adverts to it in the same time frame as FSX was gaining traction in the community.
    1. DrawyahGames's Avatar
      DrawyahGames -
      Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
      Isn't this product 7 or 8 years old? I seem to recall adverts to it in the same time frame as FSX was gaining traction in the community.
      The original is, yes. This however is a revamped one with new P3D compatibility.
    1. rutland's Avatar
      rutland -
      I had the old X and it was great after having to edit the cfg file to get the reverse thrust to work. Haveing been spoiled by Carenado I think they could have done better on the interior. However, a couple of things... which version of P3D is it available for as not everything works for every version and I've noticed on Eaglesoft's web page http://www.eaglesoftdg.com/ that their working on a Version 3 of the Citation X. Any idea when that will be available as the cockpit for the most recent version from Cessna is a lot different than the old X.
    1. Karl's Avatar
      Karl -
      Quote Originally Posted by DrawyahGames View Post
      The original is, yes. This however is a revamped one with new P3D compatibility.
      I think I get it. The review noted v2, which I do think is years old. But I note that v3 is new for 2016.

      Thanks for the info!
    1. icon22's Avatar
      icon22 -
      "I think I get it"

      Well I don't! Where is there any mention of Version 3. Version 2 is years old. I owned them both..and love their work. (ES). What has been revamped for FSX? in this a new review or just made P3D compat.

      "But I note that v3 is new for 2016."

      What does that even mean?
    1. Karl's Avatar
      Karl -
      Quote Originally Posted by icon22 View Post
      Well I don't! Where is there any mention of Version 3.
      Google

      Quote Originally Posted by icon22 View Post
      "But I note that v3 is new for 2016. "What does that even mean?
      Again, Google
    1. Blair007's Avatar
    1. silverheels2's Avatar
      silverheels2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by rutland View Post
      I had the old X and it was great after having to edit the cfg file to get the reverse thrust to work. Haveing been spoiled by Carenado I think they could have done better on the interior. However, a couple of things... which version of P3D is it available for as not everything works for every version and I've noticed on Eaglesoft's web page http://www.eaglesoftdg.com/ that their working on a Version 3 of the Citation X. Any idea when that will be available as the cockpit for the most recent version from Cessna is a lot different than the old X.
      Hi Rutland:
      Could you please list the edits you made to get reverse thrust to work properly?
      Thanks
      Rick
    1. FTD1949's Avatar
      FTD1949 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
      Google



      Again, Google
      It is quite clearly stated on their site. " One installer now allows installation into FSX:MS, FX:SE, and in Lockheed Martin Prepar3DV2 and P3DV3 Academic Versions! Download, point the Installer to your choice of current Simulation Platform path and install.."
    1. rutland's Avatar
      rutland -
      Quote Originally Posted by silverheels2 View Post
      Hi Rutland:
      Could you please list the edits you made to get reverse thrust to work properly?
      Thanks
      Rick
      Hi Rick

      It's been 6 years since I did that edit and if I remember correctly, the only edit you had to do is open the Aircraft.cfg file and find reverser_available=1 and change it to read reverser_available=0. It looks like your turning it off but it worked. I believe that was it. I tried to install the aircraft into my P3D V3 to see if I could confirm that but P3D and the X are not getting along together. Hope that helps.
    1. silverheels2's Avatar
      silverheels2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by rutland View Post
      Hi Rick

      It's been 6 years since I did that edit and if I remember correctly, the only edit you had to do is open the Aircraft.cfg file and find reverser_available=1 and change it to read reverser_available=0. It looks like your turning it off but it worked. I believe that was it. I tried to install the aircraft into my P3D V3 to see if I could confirm that but P3D and the X are not getting along together. Hope that helps.
      Yes, ok and thank you Rutland. Actually, my hardware was perfectly compatible with the earlier version of the X V2 with no edits and reverse thrust worked perfectly. Now with the current, recent release they have changed something that causes reverse thrust not to work on my system with my Saitek hardware. Eaglesoft claims that the X NEVER "supported" reverse thrust functionality using hardware and my system seems to be some sort of annoying accident of fate. So therefore they apparently don't intend to investigate or fix the changes that resulted in my hardware no longer working for reverse thrust. No worries, I'll just enjoy the earlier V2 and skip the radar or or whatever they eventually offer for V3. My rig has perfectly functionality for reverse thrust for every other aircraft in my hanger except this latest X release, including PMDG and all the Carenado aircraft with reverse thrust capability, so I'll go with what I have. BTW, I started a thread on this on the Eaglesoft Support page. They are very good about answering there, even if you don't like the answer.
      Thanks again
      Rick
    1. Karl's Avatar
      Karl -
      After reading the followup comments, having experienced the product in FS9, I think for $50 that I will stick to my freeware Citation X by Alejandro Rojas Lucena. The interior is not as good as the Eaglesoft one but it does seem to fly fairly accurately from what myself and a mate who has some experience with professional flight sims can see.

      I do like a clean HD textured cockpit. RealAir has spoiled me. But I am not going to shell out $50 for something with FS9 level cockpit just to have a radar that I already have in a pop-up.

      Thanks for the info guys.
    1. stensake's Avatar
      stensake -
      I've had the Eaglesoft Citation X some years and run it on P3D ver 1.4 and I really loved it. Now I'm running P3D ver 3 and downloaded the updated version (3.08) of the Citation x. But I ran into a lot of problems with it causing P3D to crash to desktop. So, now I've uninstalled it which is a pity.
      Now reading Eaglesoft FAQ's more carefully I see that it is stated that it is compatible with P3D v3 Academic license and I'm running P3D v3 with Professional license. I'm a bit surprised that this really should cause any problems, especially as the Eaglesoft installer doesn't say anything about me having the wrong license and I can't find it in the documentation. And as I understand from reading the information on P3D's website the actual P3D software is exactly the same for both licenses. This is really confusing so I'm hesitating to try and install it again.
    1. rutland's Avatar
      rutland -
      Quote Originally Posted by stensake View Post
      I've had the Eaglesoft Citation X some years and run it on P3D ver 1.4 and I really loved it. Now I'm running P3D ver 3 and downloaded the updated version (3.08) of the Citation x. But I ran into a lot of problems with it causing P3D to crash to desktop. So, now I've uninstalled it which is a pity.
      Now reading Eaglesoft FAQ's more carefully I see that it is stated that it is compatible with P3D v3 Academic license and I'm running P3D v3 with Professional license. I'm a bit surprised that this really should cause any problems, especially as the Eaglesoft installer doesn't say anything about me having the wrong license and I can't find it in the documentation. And as I understand from reading the information on P3D's website the actual P3D software is exactly the same for both licenses. This is really confusing so I'm hesitating to try and install it again.
      You're right about Academic and Professional versions being the same software. As far as I can see, the only difference other than the cost is that in the Academic version, the words Academic Version are shown in the upper right corner of the flight screen and you can't get rid of it... but for an additional $160.00 you can.

      As for your not being able to install the version 2 of Eaglesoft's Citation X, try this. Deactivate your anti virus, set your User Account Control (UAC) to the lowest level (a reboot is required for that) and turn off your Firewall then try to install running it with administrator. This has worked for me a few times. I even got my iFly 737 and the Qualitywings 757 and British Aerospace 146 aircraft which where bought for FSX to run in P3DV3. (I run Win7pro) Just remember... by turning all those off, your stating that your software is totally virus free. Good luck.
    1. stensake's Avatar
      stensake -
      First of all, sorry for late reply

      Quote Originally Posted by rutland View Post
      You're right about Academic and Professional versions being the same software. As far as I can see, the only difference other than the cost is that in the Academic version, the words Academic Version are shown in the upper right corner of the flight screen and you can't get rid of it... but for an additional $160.00 you can.
      Thanks for info. That's what I guessed it was all about. Good to know when checking the P3D v3 compatibility of new or updated addons.

      Quote Originally Posted by rutland View Post
      As for your not being able to install the version 2 of Eaglesoft's Citation X, try this. Deactivate your anti virus, set your User Account Control (UAC) to the lowest level (a reboot is required for that) and turn off your Firewall then try to install running it with administrator. This has worked for me a few times. I even got my iFly 737 and the Qualitywings 757 and British Aerospace 146 aircraft which where bought for FSX to run in P3DV3. (I run Win7pro) Just remember... by turning all those off, your stating that your software is totally virus free. Good luck.
      Thanks for those tips. I did some of them but didn't go "all the way" when I did my last try to install the Citation X so I will surely give it another try. I run Win7Ultimate so thanks to your info I will give it a try to install the Qualitywings BAe 146 that I bought for P3D v1.4, an aircraft I really love to fly.

      I made a break in my flightsimming in 2013 (FSX/P3D v1.4) and took it up again this fall. So right now I'm working on retrieving old licences and downloading new versions of my old addons and test installing them in P3D v3. I was really surprised that at several providers/stores my old licences from 2010-2013 were still valid and allowed download of updated versions of the addons I bought then. I got most of them working (some were of course outdated or not interesting anymore) and by applying your tips I might be able to kick some life into a couple more.

      Sten-Ake
    1. stensake's Avatar
      stensake -
      Thanks for the tips on installation. I'll give it another try. I'll will also try to install my P3D v1.4 version of Qualitywings BAe 146. An aircraft I truly love to fly.
    1. Karl's Avatar
      Karl -
      Quote Originally Posted by rutland View Post
      ... British Aerospace 146 aircraft which where bought for FSX to run in P3DV3. .
      I don't have any issues with the Ba146 installer not running. Once installed into P3Dv3 though it didn't work. The gauges simply didn't work if I remember correctly. Is that something that would be corrected with your suggestion? I would try it now but am not at home to do it.
    1. rutland's Avatar
      rutland -
      Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
      I don't have any issues with the Ba146 installer not running. Once installed into P3Dv3 though it didn't work. The gauges simply didn't work if I remember correctly. Is that something that would be corrected with your suggestion? I would try it now but am not at home to do it.
      The only thing I can say is that I stopped the anti virus, firewall and the UAC. I downloaded the new installer from http://www.qualitywingssim.com/installers.html -- Ultimate 146 Full Installer (V1.4) – FSX/P3D (SP4) -- did the flight1 install routine and the few intermittent problems that I had with flaps not extending, landing gear not retracting and autopilot loosing altitude that happened off and on, seemed to go away. I'm still testing so maybe the problems will come back. I always had all the instruments working. However, I did noticed that the installer did not add the qwing.dll file to the list in P3D's dll.xml file so I added that myself using notepad. Maybe that is what's hanging up your instruments. Worth a try. Of course you would change the path to where your keeping P3D.
      <Launch.Addon>
      <Name>Qualitywings</Name>
      <Disabled>False</Disabled>
      <Path>E:\Prepar3d\Qualitywings\qwings.dll</Path>
      </Launch.Addon>
    1. Karl's Avatar
      Karl -
      I got mine from CLS not Flight1. The installer difference are evidently too different. I don't have any references to it in my DLL.XML in FSX even.

      It was free and I never really flew it so it is no big loss. I sure do appreciate the help though.
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