Cockpit runway movements

[Clarindo]

I have seen in many video tutorials the cockpit view responding to runway bumps with shakes and sure would like to have this effect implemented in my flight simulator.

 

I always fly with FSX the PMDG 737-800 NGX in a 2D panel and searches troughout posted threads and You Tube tutorials leave me with the following impression (doubts):

 

There is no other program that will do it, other than EZDok.

 

EZDok will only do it for a Virtual Panel.

 

EzDok installation is not an easy task for a semi-knoledgeable-only individual like me.

 

Before crossing this out from my wish list I would appreciate any comments or confirmations on this, please.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

[mallcott]

Accu-Feel will do what you ask, and much else besides

 

Accu-Feel

[evm]

I have seen in many video tutorials the cockpit view responding to runway bumps with shakes and sure would like to have this effect implemented in my flight simulator.

 

I always fly with FSX the PMDG 737-800 NGX in a 2D panel and searches troughout posted threads and You Tube tutorials leave me with the following impression (doubts):

 

There is no other program that will do it, other than EZDok.

 

There is OpusFSI doing the same thing

 

 

EZDok will only do it for a Virtual Panel.

 

 

No, you will have the shaking effect in 2D panel too. But only 'outside' the windows - understand? The panel cannot and will not be moved. What EZDOK or any other camera addon cannot do in 2D cockpit view, is model your heads movement relative to the panel itself - which is the main cause for the realistic look in the VC, as your head gets buffeted differently to how the panel is shaken up.

 

 

EzDok installation is not an easy task for a semi-knoledgeable-only individual like me.

 

 

Not true. There is nothing to it, and there are tons of tutorials out there. The latest beta version made using it even easier.

 

Before crossing this out from my wish list I would appreciate any comments or confirmations on this, please.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

[Clarindo]

Thanks for the valuable information, nuitkati and mallcott.

 

It would seem that Accu-Feel, with its excellent easy configuring pattern, will not serve for PMDG Boeing 737-800.

 

Have also looked into the OPUSFSI and as a result it would appear that EzDok "in its latest beta version" is what I should be purchasing.

 

Your assistance pulled me out of a tremendous-doubt state to a go-for-it mode.

 

Thank you all for the big help.

[evm]

Not sure we understood each other correctly.

 

- There is no head movement in 2D cockpit view, as this by definition is not possible.

- So EZDok IMO is only "worth it", if you use it with the VC. The aircraft is moved already by the sim, right? If it is only aircraft "shake" you are after, try AccuFeel.

- AccuFeel will work with any aircraft.

- More apparently than movement, AccuFeel implements sounds, for example bumping over the runway lights. Those work in any visual configuration.

[evm]

And one other very important thing: EZDOK will literally kill the FSX viewing system, especially the key assignments. So if your are using the number pad now to switch to (2D) side windows now and then, stay away from EZDOK.

[bsmiii]

Accu-Feel sounds really interesting. I assume it works well with the Steam edition also. Do you know of any special requirements for installation to the Steam edition of FSX? I would guess perhaps a different directory than the boxed edition?

 

Thank you.

 

Win 8.1

Intel Core i5-4440 cpu @3.10 GHz

12.0 GP Ram

64 Bit

FSX boxed and Steam editions w/Acceleration

[Clarindo]

Thanks, nuitkati. I misunderstood or misread the message and, for my needs, EzDock will not do.

 

Also misunderstood, from AccuFeel site, that they only have programs for specific and small aircraft.

 

My specific need is for a PMDG Boeing 737-800 and if AccuFeel includes it that surely will be my choice.

 

Many thanks, again, for all the helpful assistance I am receiving from all of you.

[Clarindo]

Just found the site for OpusFSX where the PMDG Boeing 737NGX is specifically mentioned as well as the 2D panel (my case).

 

It talks about:

 

"Dynamic aircraft movements or 2D cockpit camera shake based on actual real-life captured 3D accelerometer data."

 

That sounds like what I am looking for, I guess.

[evm]

Just make sure that Opus does not screw up viewing functions you might otherwise need in the 2D environment (like EZ does). If you buy EZ on Flight1 you get the 30 days return policy methinks, so you could just try it out.

 

As for A2A: you mixed up Accusim and Accufeel.

 

Accusim packages are addons for A2A planes only. They do a lot more than just shake.

 

Accufeel is a stand alone extension for FSX that works with almost any airplane, default or 3rd party. I have used it with the NGX too. But after some time one gets tired of always having the same sounds in every plane, so I don't use it that often any more.

 

If you want realistic movement and looks, use the VC with EZDOK and TrackIR. It doesn't get much better than that. Most of the Utube vids were recorded in this setup.

[Clarindo]

Thanks again for your continued willngness to assist this old guy here.

 

I have somewhat limited knowledge of computer handling and EzDok would seem to be beyond my level.

 

I imagine I have 2 options at this time:

 

1st. - Accufeel - if you could inform whether it provides, beyond sounds, the cockpit movement along the runway (shaking or "dynamic jolts to the airframe") which I would like to have for the PMDG 737-800 NGX.

 

2nd. - Going back to the Default FSX Boeing 737-800 which apparently fits in with the requirements in Accufeel. Though I would hate to abandon the PMDG since I usually stick to one preferred aircraft and would have to switch from one to the other.

 

My sincere appreciation for sharing your knowledge.

[evm]

OK here you go.

 

I just went through some tests to confirm what has been written here: PMDG 737 taxiing very fast on the runway, with either EZDOK or AccuFeel or both, with VC as opposed to 2D.

 

Here is my (personal and biased) conclusion:

- If you are not willing to go VC, then don't bother with the camera addons (EZDOK or Opus). They will do nothing noticable for you.

- Same goes for Accufeel if bumping is what you are after and you are expecting the same movement characteristics as you see in the (VC!) videos. This will not happen.

 

Other than that AccuFeel gives you a lot of new sound effects that may be worth it anyway. You really get a feeling for your surroundings when you rumble over the taxiways or pull the speedbrake...

 

The way I see it, the 'runway bumping' is most pronounced in the VC. This is quite logical too, because your head is not attached firmly to the plane and gets buffeted differently to the cockpit walls and panels. On the other hand, the movement/bumping of the 50 ton plane is much less pronounced (it has a suspension too...) so there is not much to see if you only look at the airplane's own bumping relative to the ground - which is what you see outside the window when you are in 2D panel mode. The 2D panel remains rock solid and what little of the outside world you see gets indeed buffeted - but IMO not enough to justify the expense for an addon.

[Clarindo]

Good morning, nuitkati.

 

Thank you for the patience to actually go through some testing to respond to my query.

 

Your conclusion, for me, is decisive and final.

 

As I plan to stick to a 2D panel, none of the addons would provide the bumpings relative to the runway which I had in mind.

 

Best of all to you and my since appreciation for your patient assistance.

[Signalman1]

http://secure.simmarket.com/fsps-3d-real-cockpit-effect.phtml

[napamule2]

If that 'effect' was part of the sim, people would spend a 1,000 hours, and 1,000 dollars to GET RID of it. (ie: HELP - my 2D 'shakes'..). What exactly motivates people to over ride what they have (and WHY to change it) is amusing and amazing. I guess 'Be Careful What You Wish For' does not apply here. But what does is beyond me, even though it is (actually) none of my business. :-) . Cheesh.

Chuck B

Napamule

[Clarindo]

Thanks Signalman1 - FSPS would provide all the effects I might be looking for (Roll - Cloud Turbulence - Wind - Spoiler - Touchdown and Rudder effects).

 

Unfortunately, as I use a 2Dpanel, this is also for a Virtual panel.

 

Very kind of you to pitch in and try to assist.

 

Best regards,