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Boeing 737-400 is a Tight Fit in St. Barthélemy


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Someone in another thread asked about challenging approaches in a 744, then went on to say "no conversation please" or something similar. Sheesh! So, acceding to his wishes, here is my minimally-conversational response:

 

Toughest approach and landing I can think of for a Boeing 747 is Runway 10 at St. Barthélemy- the only approach is visual, the runway is extremely short and can't be seen from more than 5-6 miles out, the runway slopes downhill into a bay and there is a hill right on top of the approach end.

 

Approaching the island

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20Approaching%20St%20Barth.png

 

Turning final with runway barely visible

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20Turning%20Final%20St%20Barth.png

 

Starting descent now, runway more visible... why do I keep hearing "3/4 of a mile- call the ball" in my head?

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20St%20Barth%20Starting%20Down.png

 

Short final: pucker factor kicks in

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20St%20Barth%20Short%20Final.png

 

Touchdown!

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20St%20Barth%20Touchdown.png

 

Full reverse and smoking brakes

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20St%20Barth%20Full%20Reverse.png

 

Stopped without going for a swim!

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20St%20Barth%20Stopped.png

 

I think we're gonna need a bigger ramp... :p

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/Hoggy_Dog/B737%20St%20Barth%20Ramp.png

 

:pilot:

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Good landing !!

 

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That's far out. Empty tanks & no pax?

 

LOL you caught me. :D Reduced crew to 3, no pax, no baggage, 10% fuel left & right, 5% fuel center, zero fuel aux, and departed from nearby Princess Juliana, about 15 NM away. Only way I could figure out to get a vref of about 125 (flaps 30) on this beast. Also, set auto-brakes to max because both hands were pretty busy on flight/nosewheel controls and reverse thrust, so auto-braking = one less thing to worry about.

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Shootfire,

 

I just wanna see him spin that bird and get her outa there! ;)

 

I actually did turn it around down by the beach and taxi back to the ramp, wingtips clipping light poles the whole time, but the turnaround wasn't pretty due to the horrible line of demarcation between my addon St. Barth scenery and the default flat mesh- the same thing that causes the discontinuous shadows that you can observe in the screenshots. Nothing I can do to fix that.

 

I'll see if I can fly it out of there later and post the results. Confidence is NOT high. :rolleyes:

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I suggest London City Airport at night. Try the A-380. YEOW!

 

Perhaps you might try to land at Illawarra Regional NSW

 

One of the reasons I've been able to get some larger airplanes into St. Barth (check out this video if you haven't already seen it) is that I have practiced the approach there several times in a C172 and then a Baron... so I familiarized myself with what has to be done to land there... it's 99% about airspeed control before and during the precipitous short final.

 

So thanks for the suggestions, and I will try both airports... although not before doing some practice approaches in something a little more STOL-friendly... like maybe a Maule or a Cub. :D

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Great job on this landing!!

 

That's far out.

 

Good job, Dog!

 

Shootfire

 

Good landing !!

 

Forgot to thank you guys for the kind words! So thank you! :cool:

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although not before doing some practice approaches in something a little more STOL-friendly... like maybe a Maule or a Cub.

Maybe you could try it in a Dash 7 (Milton Schupe add on). I know the Dash 8 is probably more popular but there is something about that older bird that grabs me. Great sound from the 4 whirlybirds on the wings. The flight dynamics (if true to form) allow you to virtually stand it on it's nose.

 

Longreach Queensland was where another retiring QFA big bird was flown onto a short strip, never to be flown off.

 

Happy Flying

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One of the reasons I've been able to get some larger airplanes into St. Barth (check out this video if you haven't already seen it) is that I have practiced the approach there several times in a C172 and then a Baron... so I familiarized myself with what has to be done to land there... it's 99% about airspeed control before and during the precipitous short final.

 

So thanks for the suggestions, and I will try both airports... although not before doing some practice approaches in something a little more STOL-friendly... like maybe a Maule or a Cub. :D

 

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Some piloting, you mentioned you think it could use a larger ramp, I think you need another pair of shorts because that was a close one. I am glad your brakes worked I would hate to call AAA and have you towed out of the water, as that would be hard to explain to them & FAA. I look forward to more screenshots of you taking off, as you need to get out of there, good luck.
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That take off should be interesting. No doubt you will have to off load the pax and their seats, ditch any cargo, empty the loos, toss out the catering trolleys, minimal fuel & leave the FO & cabin crew at a local bar. Maybe the locals can hold the wings while you hit max revs. As for flap settings...that's your call :pilot:
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That take off should be interesting. No doubt you will have to off load the pax and their seats, ditch any cargo, empty the loos, toss out the catering trolleys, minimal fuel & leave the FO & cabin crew at a local bar. Maybe the locals can hold the wings while you hit max revs. As for flap settings...that's your call :pilot:

 

Was no problem! Low fuel load, full pax load, 10 degrees flaps, 2 clicks of elevator trim.

 

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That take off should be interesting. No doubt you will have to off load the pax and their seats, ditch any cargo, empty the loos, toss out the catering trolleys, minimal fuel & leave the FO & cabin crew at a local bar. Maybe the locals can hold the wings while you hit max revs. As for flap settings...that's your call :pilot:

 

Ha! You missed the most challenging part: getting back to the approach end of Runway 10! New video posted, see preceding post.

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