All those with questions on the PMDG and other realisticly modeled Payware...

[Sampa]

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, read the manual provided by the software manufacturer to learn how to fly it correctly. If you still have questions, THEN come to the FSX area to ask about it! The reading should take about a month to complete it thoroughly! I am sick and tired of telling people to read the manuals provided with the software! Anyone agree with me on this?

[alverthein]

I totally agree...but good luck on getting people to do what you advise.....LOL....they want immediate expertise....LOL..al v...Hell, I am still reading reading and learning....but I am an old geezer!

[davidjones]

You mean the entire FCOM or FCTM isn't on YouTube?

 

DJ

[Torchy]

I think you have a point, but I also don't think it's fair to make a blanket statement like that, or in some cases assume that because somebody asked a question that they didn't read the manual.

 

I'll give you an example. I have simming FSX since it came out, and I know a lot about many aircraft, but sometimes you run into something new or different or whatever. Do you think everybody 1- has the time to read a manual that could be several hundred pages long 2-has the attention span to read that much even if they did have the time, 3- will remember everything they read?

 

Sometimes it's just easier and faster to ask somebody that knows even if it seems like another stupid question, plus it's human nature for many to just ask. Nobody is forcing anybody to answer questions.

 

I got a new computer and I am installing a new programs etc that I never had before, and I can assure you I don't have time to read the 1000+ pages of manuals I have. Anyway just my $.02

[Sampa]

I am not trying to control whether or not that happens, but I do at least ask that they check to at least see if the manual covers that problem BEFORE bringing it up on the forum, and if they still don't understand it or if it isn't in the manual (surely there's and index or table of contents in those things) THEN ask about it. It is just one more thing to have at yoru side so you can STOP hearing us ask the same thing over and over again, "Have you checked the manual?"

[vanmulken]

Personnally I do not easily ask that question (Have you checked the manual?), because it more or less implicates I do not know the answer to the original question!

And then: It is so nice to be able to help

[PPSFA]

I'm with you Sampa! If a user has done their own research and still has a problem, I am all in for helping them. But some are just too lazy and think that others should do their basic research and searches for them. Developers websites, manuals, and even Google will answer about 75% of questions, if they are too lazy to go check them, they are on their own as far as I'm concerned.

[mallcott]

I'm with you Sampa! If a user has done their own research and still has a problem, I am all in for helping them. But some are just too lazy and think that others should do their basic research and searches for them. Developers websites, manuals, and even Google will answer about 75% of questions, if they are too lazy to go check them, they are on their own as far as I'm concerned.

 

Absolutely agree. FSX Knowledgebase is literally vast after getting on for a decade of release. There should be no necessity for anything other than the very occasional question for something that hasn't been asked before.

For everything else, do your own research.

It's quicker, doesn't make you look like an idle slacker in your fellow simmers eyes and it demonstrates the elements of politeness and mutual respect moderators in these fora are always harping on about. We don't want to see the same question for the ten thousandth time: we're entitled to enjoy the forum at least as much as the scrounging whiners who joined last week and can't even install it.

 

Steam adopters take note.

 

And as for PMDG users: If you haven't read the manual and done the tutorials, you knew what you were getting into (the price is the giveaway, even if the product isn't) and don't deserve help. At least not from this forum.

If you are a legitimate customer, ask in the legitimate forum.

 

Where they put you to strict proof of your legitimacy and will castigate you publically for your failure to live up to their expectations of a customer. Which you agreed to when you signed up to the EULA.

 

There's no shame in not being up to the product, but there's no need to inflict your lack of application and perspicacity on the rest of us by flaunting your ineptitude.

[JSkorna]

Some of you are making a big deal out of nothing. Forums exist in order to ask questions and get answers. It doesn't matter what the person has done before, what research they have done, what web sites they have visited, what they have read, or what Google says.

 

And it's all good because some of you haven't answered a question here, ever.

[n4gix]

There is a very simple solution to the so-called problem. Stop reading and replying to whatever you perceive to be "stupid questions."

 

It's not as though the world is poised on a hair-trigger waiting with bated breath for your pearls of wisdom... :p

[Bernhardt7]

There is a very simple solution to the so-called problem. Stop reading and replying to whatever you perceive to be "stupid questions."

 

It's not as though the world is poised on a hair-trigger waiting with bated breath for your pearls of wisdom... :p

 

 

I agree with above mentioned.

 

What is the point of the forums if people cant seek help here?

[GlennC]

There are also the people that can't read or fully understand the language the manuals are written in. Most are written in English and there a lot a non-English speakers in this audience. Even if your primary language matches the language of the manual, the knowledge to understand the technical terminology may be an issue. some manuals are written much better than others.

 

I reply when I can help, I have the time and the inclination to be helpful and not sound too edgy.

 

For what that's worth

 

Glenn

[Penz]

There is a very simple solution to the so-called problem. Stop reading and replying to whatever you perceive to be "stupid questions."

 

It's not as though the world is poised on a hair-trigger waiting with bated breath for your pearls of wisdom... :p

That's true of course Bill, but subjectively it does seem like, over the years, "simmers" have become more reluctant to embrace the wonders of RTFM than, say, 20 years ago. :p

 

Of course, this has also a lot to do with the change in methods of communications in those 20 years, and I'm not trying to imply that it's necessarily a change for the worse.

[MBKHOU]

Absolutely agree.

 

And as for PMDG users: If you haven't read the manual and done the tutorials, you knew what you were getting into (the price is the giveaway, even if the product isn't) and don't deserve help. At least not from this forum.

 

 

Doesn't bother me in the least. You can read the manuals, do the tutorials, and still

really only scratch the surface, as it takes time to digest all the info, and learn how

all the systems interact. And this applies to any complex plane, not just PMDG..

They are not the only ones making complex planes by any means.

 

And the FCOM's and such are not exactly the easiest things to learn from when you

have to scroll and scroll and scroll through PDF files, and it's often hard to know which

sections are going to have the particular info one might be looking for.

 

Actually, from what I've seen recently here, I don't even see how it's been a real

problem. Most questions seem to be about other things besides complex aircraft..

I haven't seen that many questions about PMDG issues recently. Most seem to be

from ones that are thinking about buying one of the planes, not from ones that already

have one and can't fly it.

 

I can agree that one shouldn't depend on a forum to hold their hands every step of the

way in learning a simulated aircraft, but sometimes one can save a lot of time searching

for random issues, just by asking around to see if someone has seen it, or knows the answer.

 

If someone has a question about a plane that runs on FSX, I see no problem with asking

it here.. I don't see how it's any big issue. What is the FSX forum for?

Certainly not to learn knitting, or how to fish for trout.. :rolleyes:

[PhantomTweak]

I've only been reading these forums for a couple years now, but they have increase my knowledge of the sims (FS9 and FSX, mostly) geometrically, and I use that term in the mathamatical sense. Mostly from other people's questions, and my own willingness to experiment. AND I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. I am still learning by leaps and bounds. I don't notice a particularly prevalent asking of previously asked questions, but I'm still pretty new at all this, only been using FS9 since it came out, after all. I;m being serious, here, not facetious for once. I know I am pretty new at a relatively new sim.

Having done all that, I've actually been able, lately, to actually provide a little help to a very few, and it's a very good feeling, to me. It makes me proud when I manage to get in and actually answer a question or provide information to another, many of whom are by far my senior in age, and real world aviation knowledge. I find it actually a pretty "neat-o keen-o" feeling.

I feel, after reading all of this thread, that if you've lost the loving feeling, as the song goes, then the solution is simple! Don't bother to answer a question that you believe that RTFM covers, or is a "stupid, overly asked" question. After all, I believe there's a sticky at the top of the Newcomer Services forum (one or the other) titled, and I quote, "There's No Such Thing as a Stupid Question". After reading a lot of the responses to this thread, there a many who live by that philosophy.

So, like I said, don't like a question? Fine, don't answer it! Simple, easy, and a relatively decent thing to do, IMO.

Pat☺

[MrUnSavory]

WOW! What a warm and loving topic the poster started. You make new simmers feel so welcome. Not like you are a bunch of stuck up old farts at all. You seem to have risen above the hobby. You must be a flight sim god so I will make sure to never ask what you perceive as a stupid question around you.

[Timberleaf]

Forums have been around for a long time. This forum included. Simply, you don't need a forum to tell someone you AREN'T going to help them. Imagine being a teacher, every year telling the same class the same instructions, year after year. It's always the same questions, with the same answers. Why not have the teacher in school tell your kid the same thing... "you have a book... you have the internet... read it for yourself... if you can't understand it, find me." All types of people learn in different ways; by seeing it done, by reading it, and by doing it. Not everyone learns the same way, or at the same speed. Sometimes working it out interactively allows some to "get it".

 

Indeed, no doubt exists when it comes to this new generation that seeks immediate gratification. But, that doesn't seem to apply here. If you can't, don't, won't teach, instruct, guide or direct, then you have no business telling others to NOT post on a forum. That's what it's here for. Yes, to answer the same question over and over, again. Your badgering, name calling, and insulting only proves that you have lost your love for a wonderful hobby. It is time for you to move on.

 

Further, if someone brings up an OLD forum question that YOU say has been answered before, when they need clarification, they are likely to be slapped because it has already been archived by the forum. So, either help, or don't. When you have the money to run a forum like this one, or you are hired to moderate, then you may have the empowerment you seek to tell people your forum doesn't exist to help people.

 

Thank you to FlightSim.com for their wonderful use of the forums, and ALL those who come here for the love of the hobby, and to help those old, seasoned, and new. YOU are appreciated.

[iainso]

Funnily enough I just got the PMDG 737, have done the two tutorials, and still have a ton of questions. I came very close to posting a question on this forum about using the FMC, but I imagined I'd just get told to Google for it so I didn't bother.

 

Instead, I'm finding I can fly the PMDG 737 without bothering with the FMC and navigation - I just use the FSX flight planner to put in my origin and destination, this gives me the bearing to fly, and then I just VFR it. No need to use the autopilot as the trim is so precise.

 

Once I feel inclined to go deeper, I will start to look at using the ILS.

[lefu]

What are forums made for anyways ?!

read my signature.

[lefu]

Funnily enough I just got the PMDG 737, have done the two tutorials, and still have a ton of questions. I came very close to posting a question on this forum about using the FMC, but I imagined I'd just get told to Google for it so I didn't bother.

 

Instead, I'm finding I can fly the PMDG 737 without bothering with the FMC and navigation - I just use the FSX flight planner to put in my origin and destination, this gives me the bearing to fly, and then I just VFR it. No need to use the autopilot as the trim is so precise.

 

Once I feel inclined to go deeper, I will start to look at using the ILS.

 

It would've probably happened, given that only technical support of what ever the payware is, will give you the best assist.

But still, as you mentioned it, i've done lots lots of flights with my wilco and ariane aircrafts, and still have some questions.

Being redirected to the best forum (solved) is a nice gesture, been redirected to

google...is a bit irritant, coz google redirected me "here".

But some members (most old , senior and up..) believe their are above the others,

and hunt, as stated before, for "percieved" stupid questions, and make a whole

load for nothing.

Believe me guys...dont spend time on your keyboard spitting worthless

replies.

[Sampa]

Alright, alright... I guess I was a little harsh when I made this topic! I had a bit of a long day and kind of ended up blowing off steam. I completely apologize for doing so as it was completely wrong of me to put it as I did! I ask for forgiveness!

[PPSFA]

It needed to be said Sampa

[JSkorna]

No it didn't and no it didn't need to be confirmed by anyone. Please re-read post #10.

[Sampa]

No it didn't and no it didn't need to be confirmed by anyone. Please re-read post #10.

 

JSkorna, there is NO reason to be rude. What's said is said.