my first pay ware airliner

[miloguy]

hi guys, its my birthday this weekend (45) ..

I have bought the a2a cessna 172 and caranado 208b's

but never have bought an airliner.

 

I cant afford the 777 yet from pmdg, but maybe some day (over $100 aussie dollars!)

so this one from wilco looks good.. a380 , and it looks like I'd be able to fly from Sydney

to London via Dubai, and say Sydney to LA via Honolulu ??

any one tell me if it has a working fmc ??

 

I'm not sure what people think of wilco planes, but this will be a start for me...

thanks guys..

 

http://www.pcaviator.com.au/store/product.php?productid=18370&cat=0&page=1

[PPSFA]

I would go with the Quality Wings 757 for $25.... lots of bang for the buck....there isnt a decent Scarebus out there

 

http://www.qualitywingssim.com/757.html

[dalep29]

I have the qw it was my first and I'm still a begginer in fsx. A lot of working parts, but not hard to fly at all

[miloguy]

does it have the range i want though??

for the routes explained above?

[PPSFA]

It's around 4000 nm range, but for me those long flights are boring, boring, boring

[bdf369]

What about the PMDG MD11? It's a lot cheaper than the 777 but has the range and is a very detailed simulation. Caveat: I don't own it but it's consistently had great reviews. It's an older model and the graphics are not as sharp as the 777 but it still looks pretty good.

 

The QW757 is a good suggestion too. Fun plane and great value for the money.

[miloguy]

I really want to get into long haul flights ,was looking at the biz jets in my other posts but not getting any where much... and so for my milo aviation would be good to cover the routes i posted above

[Crazyclown]

1st Payware for me was the Captain Sim 707 Professional Model, and I was happy, a complete Jetliner from front to back , inside and out complete with a well modeled Passenger cabin too and trinkets !!!

[lefu]

hi guys, its my birthday this weekend (45) ..

I have bought the a2a cessna 172 and caranado 208b's

but never have bought an airliner.

 

I cant afford the 777 yet from pmdg, but maybe some day (over $100 aussie dollars!)

so this one from wilco looks good.. a380 , and it looks like I'd be able to fly from Sydney

to London via Dubai, and say Sydney to LA via Honolulu ??

any one tell me if it has a working fmc ??

 

I'm not sure what people think of wilco planes, but this will be a start for me...

thanks guys..

 

http://www.pcaviator.com.au/store/product.php?productid=18370&cat=0&page=1

 

i have the a380 from wilco, pretty good, i have no complaints.

once you get it in the air you wont jump the fence...

go for it, quite a lot of documentation to read though. Nice working fmc

you can migrate flight plans in it.

Try b767 from leveld, its also a good one.

But from all i've heard pmdg has the best products.

[Trabant Dave]

Thinking outside the box here; Airliners don't always have to be jets........ Not the fastest, and certainly not the cheapest - but certainly one of the most amazing FSX experiences on the planet is the A2A Boeing Stratocruiser 'Captain of the Ship'

 

http://www.justflight.com/product/a2a-b377-stratocruiser-with-accu-sim

 

A seriously beautiful aircraft with a functioning crew, have a look on You Tube for various tutorial videos and be amazed - I was!!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a2a+b377+captain+of+the+ship

[kingnorris]

Just curious, Miloguy----did you resolve your error? https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?288546-Error-loading-gps-in-fsx-at-start&p=1913201#post1913201 Before you start loading new payware, you may want to make sure your sim is up to par first.

 

Just some friendly advice.

[alexzar14]

What about the PMDG MD11? It's a lot cheaper than the 777 but has the range and is a very detailed simulation. Caveat: I don't own it but it's consistently had great reviews. It's an older model and the graphics are not as sharp as the 777 but it still looks pretty good.

 

The QW757 is a good suggestion too. Fun plane and great value for the money.

 

I love it, It is one of the much needed planes which is keeping me using FSX rather than P3D. Once in a while I fly -11F (Lufthansa/FedEx) anywhere to NA from Europe and the other way.

[flightman]

I wouldn't recommend the Wilco A380. The exterior model is very inaccurate. Things don't get much better in the cockpit. The FMC is OK for navigation but don't believe the fuel predictions it gives or you'll run out of juice en-route. It's a big step down in quality compared to the A2A Cessna. Still, you get what you pay for.

 

The PMDG 777 is the best long haul sim out there. Well worth the high price. If you can't run to that the Captain Sim L-1011 is excellent.

[miloguy]

Just curious, Miloguy----did you resolve your error? https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?288546-Error-loading-gps-in-fsx-at-start&p=1913201#post1913201 Before you start loading new payware, you may want to make sure your sim is up to par first.

 

Just some friendly advice.

 

no not yet. .haven't had a chance

 

I might leave it for a bit till i can aford the 777 from pmdg, I dream of doing long flights with vip passengers, as per my routes planed...

I want to actually build an fsx/p3d rig eventually ..

[miloguy]

Just curious, Miloguy----did you resolve your error? https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?288546-Error-loading-gps-in-fsx-at-start&p=1913201#post1913201 Before you start loading new payware, you may want to make sure your sim is up to par first.

 

Just some friendly advice.

 

thanks for the warning about the wilco airbus.

 

I haven't had a chance to look at the error thing yet kingnorris,

 

are all the fsx planes ,other than pmdg really old?? not update, like ones you see in pcaviator.com.au and flightsim store? i do those as they do in aussie dollars..

[miloguy]

Just curious, Miloguy----did you resolve your error? https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?288546-Error-loading-gps-in-fsx-at-start&p=1913201#post1913201 Before you start loading new payware, you may want to make sure your sim is up to par first.

 

Just some friendly advice.

 

thanks for the warning about the wilco airbus.

 

I haven't had a chance to look at the error thing yet kingnorris,

 

are all the fsx planes ,other than pmdg really old?? not update, like ones you see in pcaviator.com.au and flightsim store? i do those as they do in aussie dollars..

[avallillo]

I would add my recommendation for the QW 757 to the rest, and also the LDS 767. The LDS (Level D Simulations) 767 is an older product, but it has lost none of its accuracy or appeal over the years, and is still the "original" of the type that has apparently come to be known as "study sim". This means that to really fly it well, you probably need to know almost as much about it as a real pilot does! Fortunately, the documentation is very complete.

 

But you will be in for some long nights in the books to really do justice to these airplanes (this would include all of the PMDG products, as well as any other really accurate and complete simulations of modern airliners).

 

As to range, well if you insist on subjecting yourself to long flights that even real pros find difficult (one of the reasons I never went over to the 777 was the Gosh Awful length of some of the flights that thing made at my airline), the 767 has the range for something like JFK-SAEZ (Buenos Aires), which would make possible flights from Australia to just about anywhere in Asia or Hawaii, and possibly even the Persian Gulf.

 

But FSX has a nice feature that in essence turns off the fuel burn (called unlimited fuel in the realism settings window), so you don't need to worry about having to ditch if you absolutely must fly from Sidney to JFK!!

 

That option, though, might obviate some of the features of the FMC.

 

For whatever reason DreamFleet has never moved their outstanding B-727 over to FSX from FS9. I cannot vouch for the Captain Sim 727 products, but if you want jet flying at its most basic the 727 would be a great choice. And there are corporate versions nowadays that have great range, at least compared to what it had in airline service.

 

Tony Vallillo

[MBKHOU]

As to range, well if you insist on subjecting yourself to long flights that even real pros find difficult (one of the reasons I never went over to the 777 was the Gosh Awful length of some of the flights that thing made at my airline)

 

I pretty much came to the same conclusion in the artifical world..

Before the PMDG 777 came out, I had intended to buy it to add it to the stable.

But then I came to the conclusion that it would basically waste away being as I don't

do very many long flights.

Heck, KHOU to KLAX is a long flight to me.. lol.. Particularly when I never use the

"time compression", and always fly real time, always actually flying the plane, and

not sticking on auto pilot and walking away for a while. Sitting at cruise for hours on

end just doesn't appeal to me in a regular basis. I rather run many more short cycles,

which gives me many more takeoffs and landings for a given amount of time.

 

So when it came out, I ended up not buying it.. And still haven't so far.

Great plane, but just doesn't suit my usual shorter flight agenda.. So I ended up sticking

with the 737 which is just right. And it's also slightly less automatic than the 777 is,

which I like. Gives me more to do..

And you can still do long flights with the 737. Particularly the ETOPS rated 800-900's.

I just flew around the world in my artificial BBJ3 900 a month or two ago...

A good number of stops though, being as I don't like extended cruise..

 

But most of the time, I'm playing Southwest buoy, which is about perfect as far as the

usual flight lengths, etc. And private 737 BBJ flights when Southwest is asleep, or I

get a wild hair, such as my around the world trek, which was:

KHOU to KBOS to EGLL to ESSA to UUEE to USSS to VIDP to VTBD to WIDD to YPDN

to AGGH to NCRG to NTAA to SCIP to SEGS to MHTG and back to KHOU.

I took my time and flew a leg every day or two or three depending on time available.

 

My horse on that trek through the wilderness. And only had 22 people on board the

whole trip. Plenty of room for all to stretch out.. ;) This was over the deep south

Pacific somewhere as I recall..

 

[pvarn]

"But FSX has a nice feature that in essence turns off the fuel burn (called unlimited fuel in the realism settings window), so you don't need to worry about having to ditch if you absolutely must fly from Sidney to JFK!!

 

That option, though, might obviate some of the features of the FMC."

 

Not only that, but the fuel weight and balance will be all wrong at higher altitude and speed. The plane will not have the correct power ratio nor the correct COG/drag. All planes and airliners more so depend on burning off that fuel to fly correctly.

 

If you're going to spend the money and time on a detailed model, might as well fly the plane correctly too.

 

-Pv-

[MBKHOU]

Not only that, but the fuel weight and balance will be all wrong at higher altitude and speed. The plane will not have the correct power ratio nor the correct COG/drag. All planes and airliners more so depend on burning off that fuel to fly correctly.

-Pv-

 

I think the balance would be OK, as it would appear that the plane was fully loaded

with fuel all the time, and when you set up the FMC, it would take that into account.

But..not very realistic, and would often limit cruising altitudes and such..

Instead of stepping up to higher altitudes with lower fuel burn after burning off fuel,

you would be stuck at full tank weight the whole trip.

 

Even on my round the world trip, I never once took off with full tanks, even crossing

the Atlantic from Boston to London. You just don't need that much fuel unless you are

really gonna stay in the air a long, long time.

[pvarn]

I wasn't referring to the operation of the FMC but the plane itself. The FMC is just a fancy calculator.

[MBKHOU]

I wasn't referring to the operation of the FMC but the plane itself. The FMC is just a fancy calculator.

 

But it calculates the weights, cg, etc, which effects the takeoff trim setting, etc..

And you have the max taxi and takeoff weights to consider also to be realistic, and if

totally full of fuel, and a full wide load, the FMC will have a hissy fit. :(

So you would need to reduce some load to get under those weights.

 

But the plane itself wouldn't have any problem with balance. It would just take off

and fly as totally full the whole trip. And then you would want to consider that you can't

land with such a wide load if one wants to be realistic, which is the main point of flying

a realistically modeled jet. So I agree, if one is going to pay good money for a good

artificial jet, one might as well fly it like one.

 

Edit.. Actually pondering it.. I'm not sure how the 737NGX would react to letting

FSX control the fuel load, being as the fuel is loaded through the FMC through the

PMDG fuel menu.. I've never tried it.. It still wouldn't effect balance assuming it

actually filled the correct tanks, but I'm not sure if it will let you fuel up that way..

With the PMDG planes, fuel, and payload is loaded via the PMDG menus. Not in the

FSX menus.

[pvarn]

The OP was asking for a plane which has the correct range and an FMC. All doable without cheats.

 

For some of the flights he wants to make he needs over 7K miles. That narrows the field but does not make those flights impossible. Everyone has something about FS they like to do. Something for everyone including flying for 18 hours non-stop in real time or Xtime.

 

-Pv-

[MBKHOU]

The OP was asking for a plane which has the correct range and an FMC. All doable without cheats.

 

For some of the flights he wants to make he needs over 7K miles. That narrows the field but does not make those flights impossible. Everyone has something about FS they like to do. Something for everyone including flying for 18 hours non-stop in real time or Xtime.

 

-Pv-

 

Sure.. different boats fer different folks and all..

The 737 could probably make most of the runs he wants to do without cheating, but a

larger plane like the 777 would likely be more suitable if he really wants to go for the long

hauls.

[miloguy]

I pretty much came to the same conclusion in the artifical world..

Before the PMDG 777 came out, I had intended to buy it to add it to the stable.

But then I came to the conclusion that it would basically waste away being as I don't

do very many long flights.

Heck, KHOU to KLAX is a long flight to me.. lol.. Particularly when I never use the

"time compression", and always fly real time, always actually flying the plane, and

not sticking on auto pilot and walking away for a while. Sitting at cruise for hours on

end just doesn't appeal to me in a regular basis. I rather run many more short cycles,

which gives me many more takeoffs and landings for a given amount of time.

 

So when it came out, I ended up not buying it.. And still haven't so far.

Great plane, but just doesn't suit my usual shorter flight agenda.. So I ended up sticking

with the 737 which is just right. And it's also slightly less automatic than the 777 is,

which I like. Gives me more to do..

And you can still do long flights with the 737. Particularly the ETOPS rated 800-900's.

I just flew around the world in my artificial BBJ3 900 a month or two ago...

A good number of stops though, being as I don't like extended cruise..

 

But most of the time, I'm playing Southwest buoy, which is about perfect as far as the

usual flight lengths, etc. And private 737 BBJ flights when Southwest is asleep, or I

get a wild hair, such as my around the world trek, which was:

KHOU to KBOS to EGLL to ESSA to UUEE to USSS to VIDP to VTBD to WIDD to YPDN

to AGGH to NCRG to NTAA to SCIP to SEGS to MHTG and back to KHOU.

I took my time and flew a leg every day or two or three depending on time available.

 

My horse on that trek through the wilderness. And only had 22 people on board the

whole trip. Plenty of room for all to stretch out.. ;) This was over the deep south

Pacific somewhere as I recall..

 

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That's what I eventually want to do ! an around the world flight and in real time

(no speeding up) but from Australia its a bit of a problem with distance...

 

once I get used to a particular plane, I'd just eventually stick to it.. now I'm hoping all over the place,.. which I really need to stop doing and just get with one plane.

 

 

the BBJ3 900 sounds interesting and make it a VIP plane, ie 25-50 passengers at most...

the 6200 nm range sounds great but also looking on Wikipedia

at the 787 with 9,950 nmi !! can I get that some where with working fmc ?

 

I have a fictional airliner , Milo Aviations , http://www.miloaviation.com (website will be done soon)..

and would like to fly all round australia, then eventually to uk , US etc and some day around the world.. and maybe just build a sim pit that would be suitable for the plane...

 

 

 

 

this is default 737 (venus de milo) I eventually want to get away from the defualt plane,

at the moment my current pc is not upto scratch for pmdg , evenutally with new pc though I'll do that..

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah204/miloflightsim/Venus%20De%20Milo/venus%20de%20milo_zpsyifed8bk.jpg

 

 

ps, with fsx, do you still use the built in gps or just use the fmc?

also with fsx , i never know about what run way im going to land on till just short thanks to the fsx atc, don't know if this happens with vat sim?

do you enter your approaches etc thru the fmc ?? or gps ?

also should I be flying VFR or IFR ?

 

 

I do appreciate every ones comments, thanks and keep them coming..