mujx Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Hi everyone. I encountered this problem today that at runway 22R in kastrup two aircrafts (dash-8 and learjet 45) were holding short and I was behind them. I was waiting but learjet did not ask for clearance which was at holding point of the runway and there was no plane at approach so after some time as usual learjet disappeared and dash-8 taxied further and it also stopped at the holding point and I was tuned to tower frequency but dash-8 never said anything like they ask for e.g"Bravo 1123 ready at runway 22R IFR departure to XXX" and then ATC gives further instructions. At that time some other plane was at the approach and ATC cleared it for landing and it landed and vacated the runway but like before dash-8 was never asked to line up the runway though I waited for a long time until it as well disappeared. I haven't recently installed any add on in FS9. So, that is the problem. Any help will be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschlute Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I think this can happen if the hold short node is too far from the runway. Are you using default scenery ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yes I am using default scenery and after searching through the internet I got what you are saying and I downloaded AFCAD 2.21 (and went through the documentation) and went through it but the circle radius was touching the runway (hold short limits of the node ). I cannot understand that the red circle is touching the runway edge but still the AI aircraft donot ask for clearance??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperpen Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just checked kastrup using ADE and there are 7 hold short nodes that are listed as being too far from the runway start point. The airport needs to be remodelled to get these to work. I recommend ADE ( Airport Design Editor ) for this as it is much better than afcad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just checked kastrup using ADE and there are 7 hold short nodes that are listed as being too far from the runway start point. The airport needs to be remodelled to get these to work. I recommend ADE ( Airport Design Editor ) for this as it is much better than afcad. I will try with ADE then and then tell you further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leuen Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just checked kastrup using ADE and there are 7 hold short nodes that are listed as being too far from the runway start point."too far" - that's the typical nonsense of fault finders! AFX is just remarking overlappings of ILS hold short nodes with hold short nodes. BTW, the seven faults found by ADE concern Rwy 22R, not 22L. Bernard Visit "The Old Hangar Forum" Visit "FS9 Vintage Flying Forum" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 After some editing from ADE I brought the hold short node close but still no ai would ask for clearance and as usual would disappear. (cannot upload the image edited kastrup) I just cannot make ai to ask for clearance what's the matter??? HELP !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger1962 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Try deleting the ILS Hold Short Nodes, leaving just the Hold Short Nodes - the ILS nodes sometimes will not work, and they seem to override the normal Hold Short Nodes. Tim Wright "The older I get, the better I was..." Xbox Series X, Asus Prime H510M-K, Intel Core i5-11400F 4.40GHz, 16Gb DDR4 3200, 2TB WD Black NVME SSD, 1TB Samsung SATA SSD NVidia RTX3060 Ti 8Gb, Logitech Flight Yoke System, CH Pro Pedals, Acer K272HL 27", Windows 11 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Try deleting the ILS Hold Short Nodes, leaving just the Hold Short Nodes - the ILS nodes sometimes will not work, and they seem to override the normal Hold Short Nodes. I will try deleting it. But another thing is that when I take the hold short node and the ILS one at the runway it doesn't move??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringBean Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Here is 22R... Any AI trying to access the runway thru the blastpad will never take off. You have a couple options. One is to break the five taxiways leading on to the blastpad so AI will not try to access the runway on them. You could also change those 5 Hold Shorts to standard blue nodes and add a Hold Short node at the threshold line. I would then change the black link on the blastpad to a taxi link though I do not think it matters. The Hold Short limits have to touch the runway texture and as far as AI is concerned, the blastpad is not part of the runway. The ILS Hold lines are purely cosmetic in FS and have zero affect on AI ops. AI is never going to operate here correctly. You have to choose between having them never touch the blastpad or the possibility of having them taxi onto the blastpad while arriving AI are landing on the runway. peace, the Bean WWOD---What Would Opa Do? Farewell, my freind (sp) Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperpen Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 "too far" - that's the typical nonsense of fault finders! AFX is just remarking overlappings of ILS hold short nodes with hold short nodes. BTW, the seven faults found by ADE concern Rwy 22R, not 22L. Bernard The Bean has the problem highlighted, no matter what AFX declares. Far as I am aware AFX is based on afcad anyway. If you look at the OP 22R is the problem runway as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringBean Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Far as I am aware AFX is based on afcad anyway. Based on......copied from......stole from....... WWOD---What Would Opa Do? Farewell, my freind (sp) Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Any AI trying to access the runway thru the blastpad will never take off. The Hold Short limits have to touch the runway texture and as far as AI is concerned, the blastpad is not part of the runway. peace, the Bean Absolutely what I thought that "blastpad is not the part of runway" but was not sure thanks man I will try one of the options and tell you about it (BTW in FSX AI would take off from the blast pad I saw it today in kastrup in FSX) and one more thing I couldn't upload the image of kastrup airport from the ADE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 I will delete the 5 hold short nodes and add it on the blastpad near the runway (but not on it or else landing AI would go around):D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 I just cannot make it. Tell me how can I make ATC give me and the AI aircraft to taxi to runway 22R through A5 not via A4 ?? I can't even compile the airport.I need to be explained this process of editing and making it to work in FS9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 A MD-80 was cleared for takeoff but after that a 737 was asked to line up and wait but after lining up ATC never asked it to takeoff however there was not any approach to the runway at that time and then simply the 737 disappeared after lining up (it was lined up on the blast pad though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhinson Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 In the real world that "blast pad" (over-run in FS-speak) is a displaced threshold. Change it to such and the problems will go away. In changing it it is necessary to adjust the runway length - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displaced_threshold . John http://www.adventure-unlimited.org My co-pilot's name is Sid and he's a star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujx Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Thanks for clearing the runway everyone I am done. What I did was that I disconnected all the 5 taxiways (E1 A1 A2 A3 A4) and then the ATC gave the clearance for the AI traffic to taxi via A5 exactly what I wanted. :pilot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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