What you do when there is no nav1 frequency

[egalps]

I m not a very experienced flight simmer however i really love to gain new knowledges about aviation.

I landed in skiathos airport (on flight simulator x) and i noticed that this vor has not a nav 1 frequncy.So what does the pilot use to see airport like this on his panel?I know it may sounds simple not to know but i would be grateful if you told me.Thank you

[lnuss]

If there is a VOR it has a frequency, since it is radio. And it doesn't matter whether you enter that frequency into nav 1 or nav 2. An airport is not a VOR. SkyVector lists the Skopelos VOR (SKP, 113.40 MHz) as being 5 miles away, and it shows the Skiathos NDB (SKC) on the field at a frequency of 326 KHz. So perhaps you are seeing the NDB and mistaking it for a VOR.

 

You can see this and more at the Skyvector web site.

[mallcott]

I m not a very experienced flight simmer however i really love to gain new knowledges about aviation.

I landed in skiathos airport (on flight simulator x) and i noticed that this vor has not a nav 1 frequncy.So what does the pilot use to see airport like this on his panel?I know it may sounds simple not to know but i would be grateful if you told me.Thank you

 

In the `old days` we just flew a course from other nearby radio aids, either distance/course from a VOR or two, or via coincidental vectors via two direction only navaids such as NDB's. Using a chart you can place any airport without any navaids on site to a bearing from two neighbouring sources and those vectors will place you over the airport (or as real pilots usually do it, a position that allows you to fly the extended runway centreline all the way to landing).

 

In the modern age there is no need for the radio aids when one can use dual-redundant GPS to place the aircraft in a three dimensional location pretty much anywhere for an approach to many runways and airports. Read up on WAAS to see how things are changing.

 

IRL, we use both methods to keep skills sharp for the day the Russians hack the GPS network or the Americans switch it off because some numpty Prez gets a bee in his bonnet about the Mexicans using it. Although the radio navaids are gradually being shut down, until they're gone they remain a hack-resistant and independent tool for locating oneself in the air environment.

[mrzippy]

 

the Americans switch it off because some numpty Prez gets a bee in his bonnet about the Mexicans using it.

 

Nope, he's gonna build a wall so tall and YUGE that it can't be flown over. It will be bigly!

[Rupert]

In the `old days` we just flew a course from other nearby radio aids, either distance/course from a VOR or two, or via coincidental vectors via two direction only navaids such as NDB's. Using a chart you can place any airport without any navaids on site to a bearing from two neighboring sources and those vectors will place you over the airport (or as real pilots usually do it, a position that allows you to fly the extended runway centerline all the way to landing).

 

In the modern age there is no need for the radio aids when one can use dual-redundant GPS to place the aircraft in a three dimensional location pretty much anywhere for an approach to many runways and airports. Read up on WAAS to see how things are changing.

 

IRL, we use both methods to keep skills sharp for the day the Russians hack the GPS network or the Americans switch it off because some numpty Prez gets a bee in his bonnet about the Mexicans using it. Although the radio navaids are gradually being shut down, until they're gone they remain a hack-resistant and independent tool for locating oneself in the air environment.

 

WELL SAID!!!!

 

In addition, people still need to learn to navigate with charts, maps. the compass, etc. as well.

 

I can well remember multiple flight across the country when VOR/TACs were far enough apart you couldn't really depend on them unless you flew pretty high. (They're high frequency and line of sight.)

 

So we mostly used the methods above plus a AAA Road Map or LORAN. Which is a very low frequency signal that you can often receive even on the water. Sadly LORAN is also being phased out, if not already gone, to save money.

 

When, not should, these electronic helpers go on the blink, it's really good to know how to navigate on air, land, or sea without them!!!;)

 

Remember we're not just talking about the sites or the now everywhere cell phone towers. We're also talking about the devices in your vehicle than can fail or get stolen as well!!

 

Michael

[Sentry_FiveZero]

IFR=I Fly Roads!!!!!!

 

 

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[lnuss]

IFR=I Fly Roads!!!!!!

 

 

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Only partially: IFR = I Fly {Roads|Railroads|Rivers} (pick the current use). :pilot::cool::rolleyes:

[il88pp]

You probably mean how to land at a runway without ILS. (or dating Doutzen, lol.)

you look for a navaid on the airport. For example the ndb that chuck mentioned.

Then position yourself so you can fly from there, straight to the navaid along runway heading.

You should end up at the runway that way.

An ndb does not 'guide you down'. You do the decending manually (can use autopilot, but have to control/guide it carefully).

The glideslope descends 300 ft per mile.

I fly the default 737 mostly. I would fly in at 3.000ft above ground level. Then I'd start my descent 10NM out. Vertical speed depends on ground speed. I approach 155knots, 700-800ft per minute. Slower speed, then also slower vertical speed.

(example: 75kt, then 350-400ft/min. (both halved)).

 

In the last phase of the approach, focus on the rash lights next to the runway. 4white is too high, 2white, 2red is perfect, 4red?-->add thrust and pull up!, you're way too low!

 

I'll leave it to someone else to add how to find the local ndb frequency's. I think hear some responsible cider calling.;)

Have fun, enjoy the sun! :cool:

il.

[Rupert]

Only partially: IFR = I Fly {Roads|Railroads|Rivers} (pick the current use). :pilot::cool::rolleyes:

 

Been There, Done all of that!! Not to mention flying circles around water towers to read what water district you're flying over and compare that to the AAA map!!:o:o:p In fact, low altitude cross country ferry hops is the reason I joined AAA!