farhan3201 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Hi, I recently got the Piper Arrow, by CLS which is now free on their site, and it,s great. The problem is that when i descend to the runway, I set my throttle to idle and i try to pullup for a flare but when i do, it wont work. It just stays at a nose down attitude. And my stick is pulled all the way hack and it still wont work. This doesn't happen durink flight either, it only happens when i set the throttle to idle. I'm using keyboard keys, i dont have a joystick. And my configurations i believe arent wrong because when i use different planes, like cessnas and even other addon planes, even when throttle is at idle, it still works. Am I doing something wrong? Am i not supposed to set the throttle to idle? Like i said even when stick is fully pulled back, it wont hav a pitch up attitude, but it works on other planes. Hopefully u get what i mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger1962 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Hi farhan3201, there are two versions of the CLS Piper Arrow 4 Free, for FS9 and FSX. Are you sure that you have the FSX version? Tim Wright "The older I get, the better I was..." Xbox Series X, Asus Prime H510M-K, Intel Core i5-11400F 4.40GHz, 16Gb DDR4 3200, 2TB WD Black NVME SSD, 1TB Samsung SATA SSD NVidia RTX3060 Ti 8Gb, Logitech Flight Yoke System, CH Pro Pedals, Acer K272HL 27", Windows 11 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Yes, I'm almost positive that I installed the FSX version. I am outside right now, so i will check when i get home. But when im 98% sure that i installed the fsx version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I also have the CLS piper Arrow and I haven't noticed anything bad about a flare at throttle idle position. Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I did a quick test flight. Here is a screenshot of the Arrow at full idle, full flaps touchdown. I also had the stick pulled back fully and there is no real pitch up in that procedure. I highly recommend that after descent towards the runway at idle, you add a small amount of throttle before flaring and landing. Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ok, thanks a lot, I will definitely try it out after I get home, I'm still outside :-} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 If MZ's comments are not enough, give yourself some more up trim and make sure you are not landing near full fuel. -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Oh yeah, speaking of fuel how much should i use for a flight thats maybe around 30 mins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Oh yeah, speaking of fuel how much should i use for a flight that's maybe around 30 mins? Definitely NOT 100% in both tanks! Depending on how high your cruise altitude will be, and if you keep sticking your dang hand out the window to check temperature (that causes drag!) probably 20% in both tanks. I did my quick little circuit (15 minutes with 10% in both tanks.) UPDATED INFO: I just noticed in my screenshot that the elevators do not show in the full up position. I took the shot in "Replay" mode and forgot that rudder, elevator and aileron positions do not show. I did a redo on the flight and landed in a chase-view position and watched everything functioning normally. Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 OK, i did a successful landing, thanks for the help... BUT... now i'm having taxiing problems. It speeds up WAY too fast, and the rudder pedals (I'm using keyboard) are so bad, they don't respond that fast. How do I fix/get better at this? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napamule2 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 The 'solution' is to get a USB joystick. ANY USB joystick (a second hand store one for $5 will do and make a HUGE difference). You problems (with this model/flight model) is 'throttle -vs- controls' problems. You tap the F3 key 4 times (fast) then you tap the F2 key 4 times (slow). The keyboard reads the 'F3 x 4' but the Sim reads 'F3 x 2' (due to fast tapping) and the keyboard reads the 'F2 x 4' and the Sim reads 'F2 x 4' (due to slow tapping). So you THINK you cut back to original but you cut back TOO much (to idle?) and when in idle (even if moving) the ac will not turn the same as when there is SOME thottle. Simple as that. The solution (temp) is to set up spoiler to give you added drag, then when making turns you keep the throttle the same and extend spoiler (just enough to slow for turn-then retract) and you 'power thru' the turns and retain momentum (ac keeps moving) thru turn. This 'spoiler' trick will also make the landing easier IF YOU ADD UP PITCH TRIM and only use spoiler for 2 or 3 seconds (when over the fence) to slow for touchdown. If this is 'too much work' or 'too much technical stuff' then perhaps you need to not do flight simming. You do what you have to do due to the limitations (physics, etc) of the Sim. You also will learn something new every day you sim. Un-avoidable. Chuck B Napamule i7 2600K @ 3.4 Ghz (Turbo-Boost to 3.877 Ghz), Asus P8H67 Pro, Super Talent 8 Gb DDR3/1333 Dual Channel, XFX Radeon R7-360B 2Gb DDR5, Corsair 650 W PSU, Dell 23 in (2048x1152), Windows7 Pro 64 bit, MS Sidewinder Precision 2 Joy, Logitech K-360 wireless KB & Mouse, Targus PAUK10U USB Keypad for Throttle (F1 to F4)/Spoiler/Tailhook/Wing Fold/Pitch Trim/Parking Brake/Snap to 2D Panel/View Change. Installed on 250 Gb (D:). FS9 and FSX Acceleration (locked at 30 FPS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Pulsing brakes are the best way to counter taxi idle thrust. Differential breaks even better. Reducing fuel mixture to just enough to keep the engine running, then reduce RPM. All these together will give you a better range of throttle control. -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScatterbrainKid Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 ..i dont have a joystick.. Well get one and all your troubles will go away..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Hey hey no fighting lol. Anyway, I also tried using differential brakes for turning but it takes a very long time to turn. Like during taxiing onto the runway I'll use the pedals and/or differential brakes but it'll take forever to turn and ends up in the grass. Should I use the control stick for taxiing or something? Thanks for the help but don't fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Hey hey no fighting lol. Anyway, I also tried using differential brakes for turning but it takes a very long time to turn. Like during taxiing onto the runway I'll use the pedals and/or differential brakes but it'll take forever to turn and ends up in the grass. Should I use the control stick for taxiing or something? Thanks for the help but don't fight. I have a very cheap joystick, Attack3 from Logitech. I paid $16.00 + $3 shipping from Amazon. Anywho, not available anymore...maybe EBAY. It has no twist rudder control so I have autorudder selected and I can make my turns by tilting the stick (uses ailerons). Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicS Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Keep it nice and on track chaps. Thanks Dominic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Ok, is there any other way to taxi better WITHOUT a joystick or pedals? Because at he moment I cannot buy one.Is there any techniue that can help me for taxiing? Because for this plane, I always overshoot my destination, and end up going on to the grass. And I try to get back on and I mess that up, as well. But with every other plane, I have no problem taxiing around, on, and off of the runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScatterbrainKid Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Ok, is there any other way to taxi better WITHOUT a joystick or pedals?...But with every other plane, I have no problem taxiing around, on, and off of the runway. Well there might be something wrong with that one plane. And remember, you have to use the RUDDER to turn planes while taxiing, as using ailerons won't have any effect. PS- some planes have got a steerable nosewheel which turns with the rudder, so make sure it's free to turn and not locked or the plane won't turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan3201 Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 I know that I'm supposed to use the rudder pedals to turn, but how do I unlock the nosewheel like you said. I'm using the CLS Piper Arrow. I don't even think it has a nosewheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Yes the Piper Arrow has a nosewheel. Check to see if your autorudder option is off. When on, your aileron is able to turn the wheel. -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzippy Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Well there might be something wrong with that one plane. And remember, you have to use the RUDDER to turn planes while taxiing, as using ailerons won't have any effect. PS- some planes have got a steerable nosewheel which turns with the rudder, so make sure it's free to turn and not locked or the plane won't turn. The aircraft is fine! Like in my condition with no twist rudder and autorudder checked, I tilt the joystick left or right and my aircraft turns and follows the taxiways. Adding to this post: I did notice that the nose wheel steering angle is very shallow. point.0 = 1, -1.365, 0.000, -3.221, 3000, 0, 0.433, 25.0, 0.500, 2.5, 0.65, 6.0, 6.0, 0, 0, 150 This number can be increased probably up to 65.0 without causing harm. You have to keep it well under 90.0. I did a quick set of shots to show left and right turns using joystick tilt. Notice the nose wheel and ailerons. Still thinking about a new flightsim only computer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 A lot of people have trouble diagnosing controller problems in FS largely because you only have the instruments the aircraft designer placed in the panel. I'm in the process of uploading to the library a VERY SIMPLE control surface diagnostics panel which displays most of the primary control surface positions: BPL = Brake Pressure L R = R A = Aileron (C = center, L = L movement, R = Right movement) E = Elevator (C = center, U = Up movement, D = Down movement) R = Rudder (C = center, L = L movement, R = Right movement) Displayed in both pos and neg values: PT = Pitch Trim in degrees RT = Roll Trim in degrees YT = Yaw Trim in degrees You will have to do some simple panel editing to put it in your plane temporarily until you have the problem figured out. The diagnostic gauge display for my Piper Cherokee Arrow III: -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il88pp Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 To get any precision when flying and taxiing you will have to buy a joystick that has a throttle control on it as well. For example the logitech 3d extreme. Without that, no chance. Your taxiing and flying will always be all over the place. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvarn Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Added the above tool to the library. ControlPos.zip -Pv- 2 carrot salad, 10.41 liter bucket, electric doorbell, 17 inch fan, 12X14, 85 Dbm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringBean Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 May I suggest you try Mouse Yoke until you can get a joystick? While not ideal, it is better than using just the keyboard. As for control while taxying, try slowing down a bit. With the possible exception of a long straightaway, you should taxi at a walking pace. peace, the Bean WWOD---What Would Opa Do? Farewell, my freind (sp) Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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