What determines Airline or GA aircraft in FS?

[ColR1948]

My question really is what determines Airline from GA aircraft in FS, I mean how does FS know the difference?

 

I asked this on another forum but as yet not got an answer, I know about the sliders in the setup and and using the 'F' or 'R' in the flight plans, so how does FS know which is which?

I could put the Airline slider to zero and it won't load the airline or military aircraft, so is it something in the aircraft.cfg that tells FS an aircraft is an airliner or a GA?

[jgf]

Not sure but I think it is the "atc_id=" or "atc_airline=" line in the aircraft.cfg (it's 3AM and I'm too lazy to check, lol).

[ColR1948]

I've had all sorts of entries in there but that doesn't seem to change it.

[Algenon]

Suggest

 

ui_type This value identifies the type sub-category used to group aircraft in the Select Aircraft dialog in ESP. Airbus A321( ui_type="A321" )

Aircreation582SL( ui_type= "582 SL Trike" )

Boeing 737-800( ui_type="737-800" )

Boeing 747-400( ui_type="747-400" )

 

 

ui_typerole This value identifies the role of the aircraft. Airbus A321( ui_typerole="Commercial Airliner" )

Aircreation582SL( ui_typerole="Single Engine Prop" )

Beech Baron 58( ui_typerole="Twin Engine Prop" )

Beech King Air 350( ui_typerole="Twin Engine TurboProp" )

 

I think it could be ui-typerole in aircraft config file.

 

regards

 

Algenon

[hgschnell]

if "atc_airline=" is empty, it is GA, otherwise...

 

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/airline-vs-ga-traffic-in-fs9-traffic-settings.436119/#post-732000

[ColR1948]

Good thinking Algenon, I will give that a try and see if it works, thank you.

 

If as hgschnell says, that is a shame because I like to hear ATC call individual aircraft by call signs, this way it just calls the flight or reg, but worth a try, thank you.

[StringBean]

ui_typerole This value identifies the role of the aircraft.

 

...

 

I think it could be ui-typerole in aircraft config file.

 

Not used in FS9.

 

peace,

the Bean

[ColR1948]

What I was doing was a little experiment, I made an Aircraft folder in FS renaming the working folder so it wasn't read.

I put a few aircraft in the new Aircraft folder, left the "Airline=" empty as mentioned above.

Made a couple of test flight plans in TTools.

Put the slider for Airline to zero and sure enough the aircraft were there when I opened Traffic Tools.

 

So then to the experiment.

I opened the GA traffic generator program to see if it would generate some flight plans for the test aircraft, but all it generated was a few flights for Traffic View Board and no extra ones for the test aircraft.

 

I wanted to see if I could generate flight plans for some military aircraft to fill the skies a little, I was being lazy instead of searching for plans online and compiling them I thought this might work, but it was just an experiment so no harm done.

[tgibson_new]

Hi,

 

The answer appears to be that if you have a missing airline= line, or it says

 

airline=

 

it will be included in GA traffic, If there is any airline name in that line (even if a fake name like BooBoo), it is included in airline traffic.

 

It also appears that you must restart FS9 after each cfg file edit to see the changes.

 

Hope this helps,

[ColR1948]

Hi Tom,

 

Yes I already did all that my friend, it was just an experiment to see if the GA generator program would generate flight plans for the airline traffic that it thinks are now GA but it didn't.

I was trying to trick it in to thinking the airline aircraft were GA.

[lmhariano]

if "atc_airline=" is empty, it is GA, otherwise...

 

Almost: in my experience, if "atc_flight_number=" is the one empty, it's GA.

[hgschnell]

Almost: in my experience, if "atc_flight_number=" is the one empty, it's GA.

 

Sorry, I double checked it.

 

I wrote

"atc_airline=NONSENSE" in a C152 : it appeared with "GA box unchecked"

I wrote

"atc_airline= " it did not appear...

[Algenon]

Hi hgschnell,

 

Try this link

 

http://woodair.net/Flight_Sim/tutorial/FST_CFG.htm

 

It suggests that "atc_airline" is used for airline callsign, but the entry has to be in the "airlines config file", that may be why "Nonsense" did not work.

 

It also suggests that if "atc_airline" is blank, then the "atc_id" is used.

 

regards

 

Algenon

[ColR1948]

Ah! So if the "atc_airline=" (blank) then the sim has a fall back and uses the "atc_id=" so that too needs to blank is that what you mean?

[tiger1962]

It was just an experiment to see if the GA generator program would generate flight plans for the airline traffic that it thinks are now GA but it didn't.

I was trying to trick it in to thinking the airline aircraft were GA.

 

Maybe if you leave atc_airline blank but fill in a reg. number in atc_id that would work:

 

atc_id=G-WING

atc_airline=

[hgschnell]

I suggest to execute a test by yourself.

 

I really dont know what ColR1948 meas with "GA generator program".

 

I only know how fs9 works on my PC.

 

If FS9 ATC can spell an airline is another thing.

[tiger1962]

I really dont know what ColR1948 meas with "GA generator program".

 

I use two GA generator programs, Airport AI Enhancer by Gunnar Daehling (which does airlines too) and GA-Traffic by Markus Brunner. In both programs you can choose which aircraft to include in the flightplans manually, so it doesn't matter what is specified in each aircraft.cfg file.

[hgschnell]

The question was:

 

"What determines Airline or GA aircraft in FS"

 

(fs2004 of course in this forum).

 

So it is off topic IMHO what anyone uses for GA Generator programs and how these programs decide what is airline and what is GA.

 

:(

[gwillmot]

Buying a new car wasn't this complicated!

[tiger1962]

The question was:

 

"What determines Airline or GA aircraft in FS"

 

(fs2004 of course in this forum).

 

So it is off topic IMHO what anyone uses for GA Generator programs and how these programs decide what is airline and what is GA.

 

:(

 

Well excuse me. It was YOU who didn't know what a GA Generator program was!

[ColR1948]

Thanks Tiger, I just downloaded the the enhancer version, the one I was using was the other one you mentioned, so I'll try this seeing as you say it does airliners as well.

[ColR1948]

I downloaded the enhancer program, it asked for a folder to store the flight plans so I made one.

Then added the airports I wanted it to use.

Added the aircraft I wanted it to use.

Then generated a flight plan.

 

I found the folder I created but it was empty, I went to the airport I selected and nothing.

I looked in the installation folder of the enhancer and I saw it had put a folder for TTools, when I looked in there that too had no flight plans, so something simple I haven't done.

[ColR1948]

Ignore my above post, i have it working now with success.

[ColR1948]

@Tiger1962.

I may be missing something with the Enhancer program, when I want to input the airports I want to use it seems a long winded affair having to go through every airport and decide if I want to use it or not.

May be when the program was written might have been a while ago, even if there was a way to select 'ALL' would not work as you know some airports have no parking and/or would be too small for certain aircraft.

How do you use the program, have you found an easy way to do it?

[tiger1962]

Hi ColR1948, I have mostly used it to populate small airfields and grass strips which were missing from the stock FS2004, and which GA-Traffic won't recognise for some reason. I usually select my new airfield/grass strip and two existing nearby airfields (within 1 hour's flight time), then select 5 or 6 suitable light aircraft to travel between them or fly circuits, etc. whatever the program generates. I find that Less is More regarding airfields and aircraft with this program.