Why no Dovetail New Sim forum area here?

[M31]

Whys that? This one is more than on the cards, its more than proposed and its more than hypothetical, its going to happen and with the training one next month and the full sim later this year, surely that deserves its own forum? Build it and they will comes as they say!

 

The reason I ask this is because I've just been reading about NGFS sim on here that has a massive 8 page thread I've only briefly skimmed over, but from what I have read there is nothing concrete at all about this sim yet (apology's if I'm wrong) I thought I'd kept my ear to the ground but had not honestly heard of this sim before visiting here last week after a long break.

 

Back when P3D was beginning I did ask for that area on here, and after lots of arguments from the usual sim lawyers and suchlike we got that too, it was inevitable really ... and I really think this will be the case again if Flightsim.com wants to keep up ... I'm not asking for a Dovetail flight sim area because *I* want it, honestly I'm older now and my ego is not what it used to be ... I just think that since we are definitely getting Dovetails two new sims soon it might be a good idea to have their own discussion area sooner rather than later.

 

For what its worth I think Dovetail are an OK outfit and quite dedicated, what they did with FSX on Steam was great and they have supported it and gained support from the likes of ORBX and more now, not to mention the Train sim stuff.

 

Meanwhile I'll check out the NGFS part of the forum again and the big 8 page thread there.

[mrzippy]

I would doubt that there will be a Dovetail Forum. I think it would be great when someone has a question that deals with FSX-SE, a colored maker is placed in the Thread title. That way we all know for sure that the question deals with FSX-SE as opposed to FSX-MS Boxed version.

 

NGFS, according to the "Head Guy", may not even take shape for the next 4-5 years. So far it's all talk. They moderate their forum so unless you want to say Hallelujah to their project, your post will never show.

[ViperPilot2]

Just my 2 cents here, but IMHO there's no need for a dedicated Forum as of yet. Once DTG releases it, then maybe... but not right now.

 

Alan :pilot:

[M31]

Fair play then, there wont be, I'm not going to argue with you :)

 

I know how Civilian Flight sim fans love to argue, its been like that with every new FS release as far back as I can remember and now that Microsoft have given up, it's going to be like that with each new sim that might rear its head.

 

Ohhh, my add-ons wont work any more and so on ad infinitum, moan moan moan.

 

Have at it folks :)

 

But I look over this once great site and I see posts on forums at top of lists with most recent entry's going back to 2014 or more ... I've always liked Flightsim.com, but if it continues to not embrace something new it's in danger of becoming extinct completely is my fear.

 

But hey ho, I'll check back in a years time or so and see what happens.

 

Have fun.

[M31]

 

NGFS, according to the "Head Guy", may not even take shape for the next 4-5 years. So far it's all talk. They moderate their forum so unless you want to say Hallelujah to their project, your post will never show.

 

4- 5 years, but it still has its own place here and for the life of me I can not see the logic in that? but perhaps you have not been keeping up with current events but Dovetails new Flight sim is happening (2 of them this year, 1 next month) and I'd wager the DT guys and gals would be willing to talk here if there was any interest.

 

Why some flight sim guys see a potential new sim as a threat instead of something to be welcomed is beyond me though, nobody's losing anything, you'll still have the sim you like, even Dovetail have said, FSX SE is going nowhere and I doubt Lockheed Martin are about to close shop over this new DT sim.

 

Have fun in whatever you do though.

[RatRace]

I would doubt that there will be a Dovetail Forum.

 

If I may be so bold to ask, why wouldn't/shouldn't there be a Dovetail Forum ?

[RatRace]

But I look over this once great site and I see posts on forums at top of lists with most recent entry's going back to 2014 or more ... I've always liked Flightsim.com, but if it continues to not embrace something new it's in danger of becoming extinct completely is my fear.

 

Sad but true.

[mrzippy]

If I may be so bold to ask, why wouldn't/shouldn't there be a Dovetail Forum ?

 

I think if there was going to be a Dovetail Forum on this site, it would have happened by now. Instead, we get the NGFS worthless one. It's just my personal opinion and the ones to ask would be Nels and Rick.

[RatRace]

... and the ones to ask would be Nels and Rick.

 

Fair enough. Flightsim.com is Nels' show, and he runs it the way he wants. But what motivated him to allow this NGFS forum remains a complete riddle to me.

[mrzippy]

But what motivated him to allow this NGFS forum remains a complete riddle to me.

 

Possibly paying rent for their space?

[RatRace]

:D

[Rupert]

Whoa is Me Whoa is Me!!I can't get my newest favorite brand of the day in lights!

 

Rat Race, I feel it's silly to open yet another forum when FSX and steam have so much in common we can and should share. I have learned from steam users like PhantomTweak and he and other steam users have learned from me and other FSX users.

 

In fact, if you looked at the FSX forum you'd notice that just a few minutes ago yet another dovetail, FSX Steam, user was advised and stepped through a dovetail, FSX Steam, issue. By whom? Other FSX site posters, not all of whom own Steam. In fact one of the most active FSX site posters in the last several months is PhantomTweak and he only has steam. (Look it up)

 

Am I scared of Steam? No, I tired it with another program, and was not impressed enough to even get the Steam version of FSX.

 

Am I scared of P3D? No, but based on all the overblown hype, I did buy it.. In fact I still refer to P3D from time to time to see if it's gotten any better, after all, I already paid for it. It's never been good enough to make me take the time to do a free download Orbx or other add-ons I already bought for FSX to use with it.

 

That's my belly-button.

[RatRace]

Yes and no.

 

Dovetail FS would probably differ from FSX and FSX-SE the way FSX differs from FS9, to say the least. And the latter each have their own forum.

 

I am sure FS9/X-SE users could provide a lot of assistance to Dovetail FS users, but IMHO not good enough a reason do deny Dovetail a separate forum.

[ViperPilot2]

It's not a matter of the FlightSim.com constituency 'embracing' new Products. It's a matter of not creating another Forum that caters to anyone who wants to whine, plea, beg or whatever to DTG about what 'they' want out of a Flight Sim.

 

Just let DTG do their thing, release the Product, and see what happens.

 

Alan :pilot:

[drobson]

Could it possibly be that Dovetail hasn't ask Nels to host a forum here? I'm sure that if they did, it would be done.

 

Darrell

[M31]

 

In fact, if you looked at the FSX forum you'd notice that just a few minutes ago yet another dovetail, FSX Steam, user was advised and stepped through a dovetail, FSX Steam, issue. By whom? Other FSX site posters, not all of whom own Steam. In fact one of the most active FSX site posters in the last several months is PhantomTweak and he only has steam. (Look it up)

 

Am I scared of Steam? No, I tired it with another program, and was not impressed enough to even get the Steam version of FSX.

 

Am I scared of P3D? No, but based on all the overblown hype, I did buy it.. In fact I still refer to P3D from time to time to see if it's gotten any better, after all, I already paid for it. It's never been good enough to make me take the time to do a free download Orbx or other add-ons I already bought for FSX to use with it.

 

That's my belly-button.

 

And thats a fair opinion, except for the fact you are missing the whole point this is neither FSX or FSX steam (whom Dovetail are involved with) but a completely new venture, and its because of reply's like yours (I anticipated too) that I suggest we collectivly open our eyes and can give a new dedicated Dovetail forum here for their new sim ... not FSX SE or an FSX tangent to help clear the air here and clarify things a bit more and also support company's that are willing to invest in our hobby.

 

You seem confused by the nature of Dovetails new sims and that's clear from your post, so if you are confused, there must be many more too ... this is not a slur on you, your FSX Steam post confirms you think Dovetail are behind only FSX SE and in actual fact and apart from their other sim interests (not game interests) that is certainly not the case

 

Oh and you are wrong again, ORBX with FTX are working hard to port over many FTX scenery's to P3Dv3 for free, they all worked fine with earlier versions of the sim.

 

Lets not give Dovetail a hard time folks this is something new and refreshing, its not FSX Steam in a new name.

 

Otherwise we're just going to keep going to other sites for our news and Flightsim.com will lose out again.

 

Thank god we wont have the usual lawyer simulator fans this time like it was with P3D ... I swear some flight sim fans are pedantic beyond belief and could argue with their shadow for the sake of it :)

 

Over to you Nel's, its your site.

[M31]

Could it possibly be that Dovetail hasn't ask Nels to host a forum here? I'm sure that if they did, it would be done.

 

Darrell

++

 

Like I said, build it and they will come, one things for sure, Lockheed Martin never asked for a forum here but we got one.

[M31]

It's not a matter of the FlightSim.com constituency 'embracing' new Products. It's a matter of not creating another Forum that caters to anyone who wants to whine, plea, beg or whatever to DTG about what 'they' want out of a Flight Sim.

 

Just let DTG do their thing, release the Product, and see what happens.

 

Alan :pilot:

 

OK then. Massive assumptions about whining and begging though, please do not speak for others.

 

Bye and because I'm wasting my time it seems, you cant teach old dogs new tricks :)

[MrUnSavory]

Maybe it is just me but I see no point to this topic. Dovetail has a place on Steam where you can ask or get info about their project. Why don't we also ask for a P3D 64bit forum? It will someday come out also. Maybe if you didn't have such bad attitude in your post basically ripping Flightsim.com from the get go you may get a better answer. Threatening to leave the forum gets you no where.

[ScatterbrainKid]

I'd never heard of the NGFS forum til I heard it mentioned in this thread!

But after looking at it, it seems there's nothing concrete in it; for example the screenshot section is completely empty with a chilly whistling wind and sagebrush blowing through it.

Is there somewhere I can find an explanation of exactly what NGFS is, preferably with pretty pics to illustrate it?

[mrzippy]

I'd never heard of the NGFS forum til I heard it mentioned in this thread!

But after looking at it, it seems there's nothing concrete in it; for example the screenshot section is completely empty with a chilly whistling wind and sagebrush blowing through it.

Is there somewhere I can find an explanation of exactly what NGFS is, preferably with pretty pics to illustrate it?

 

Nope, non-extant. We also can't post in their forum unless you give them "Glowing Praise" for, I guess, their own Kapernicking. (will check spelling!)

[vgbaron]

Bottom line? It is still VAPORWARE, no matter how much you talk about it. DTG has announced their intentions and set up a tentative timetable. There is lot's of buzz and speculation - that's always a good thing.

 

BUT it should remain in the Outer Marker until such time as there is a product release. When that happens, if there is enough interest then I suspect that many sites will have a dedicated forum.

 

But to have a forum dedicated to discussing something that MAY or MAY NOT happen doesn't seem at all right.

 

I notice that other sites appear to be following that same train of though and relegating the DTG new offering to their general chat forum(s).

 

OH, and before someone gets upset with the term vaporware - it was not meant as a negative - just a statement of fact - look up the definition.

 

Vic

[M31]

Maybe it is just me but I see no point to this topic. Dovetail has a place on Steam where you can ask or get info about their project. Why don't we also ask for a P3D 64bit forum? It will someday come out also. Maybe if you didn't have such bad attitude in your post basically ripping Flightsim.com from the get go you may get a better answer. Threatening to leave the forum gets you no where.

 

I never ripped into Flightsim.com and if you looked a bit closer you would see I go back a long way too and am fond of the place, please stop being so melodramatic.

 

When did I threaten to leave? I'll come and go as I please and always have done.

 

No threats from me ever.

 

Stop being silly.

 

What would be silly would be a LM P3D 64 bit forum as you suggest, complete and utter wrong analogy to what I suggested and never demanded and this is why we need a refresh of Dovetails new sim outlook here, because its not just a 64 bit re-hashed FSX or FSX SE as many think, we need something at least a statement from Nels to show different, Dovetails new sim is as fresh as any other iteration of an MS sim before, from FS1 through FSX have all had incremental code developments, half the simmers asking for ground up 64 bit sims have no idea what they are talking about or what they really want.

 

Here is something to think about.

 

Both Lockheed Martin and Dovetail have the FSX code now ... if you like. LM have told us for a few years now 64 bit is a while off and they sold us P3Dv3 again at full price, you can say what you like but that's milking the cow to me, then all of a sudden, Dovetail have the code too and recompile FSX and do FSX SE on Steam ... only pirates should fear Steam IMHO and now out of the blue have embarrassed Lockheed Martin by saying they will give us Dovetailsim 64 bit sim this year and a training flight version next month too.

 

I've always had my doubts about LM though, pretty sure they are milking the F-35 real aircraft, its way over due and way over budget! Who's to say they do not do the same in their P3D software division? I betcha once Dovetail release their 64 bit sim LM will release theirs they have been holding back on ... I betcha.

[RatRace]

Is there somewhere I can find an explanation of exactly what NGFS is, preferably with pretty pics to illustrate it?

 

At long last they managed to find a round earth

 

http://pre09.deviantart.net/5591/th/pre/f/2010/284/a/1/ocean_of_emptiness_by_feramoo-d30l2oq.jpg

[M31]

Bottom line? It is still VAPORWARE, no matter how much you talk about it. DTG has announced their intentions and set up a tentative timetable. There is lot's of buzz and speculation - that's always a good thing.

 

BUT it should remain in the Outer Marker until such time as there is a product release. When that happens, if there is enough interest then I suspect that many sites will have a dedicated forum.

 

But to have a forum dedicated to discussing something that MAY or MAY NOT happen doesn't seem at all right.

 

I notice that other sites appear to be following that same train of though and relegating the DTG new offering to their general chat forum(s).

 

OH, and before someone gets upset with the term vaporware - it was not meant as a negative - just a statement of fact - look up the definition.

 

Vic

 

But its OK for the NGFS Forum?

 

I give up on this place here I really do, there are none so blind as those that can not see.

 

This is a sim with one part coming next month, the other this year, but yep,. lets concentrate on NGFS.

 

You could not make this up.

 

Naysayers win again.

 

What a negative site this place has become, and shame on this bully of a mod who barges in like a bull in a china shop thinking he has final word

 

Pathetic.

 

I will leave this time for whoever asked.