Trojan..!....uh...the other kind..

**jwckmiller** · 01-02-2002, 12:44 PM

Ikarusina · 01-02-2002, 01:19 PM

Oh! Say! That�s a pretty one, Jeff!

Looks like WWII/Korean era Vintage though� Is that just an illusion? Maybe they�re a little more recent than that, huh?

That�s cool, though!

Super shots of it, too � as always �

I especially like the 2nd & 3rd shots, though all are excellent�
Looks like a very nicely textured one too�

Cheers!

- Tia

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**jwckmiller** · 01-02-2002, 02:17 PM

Tia,
Here is the info on the T-28. The North American T-28 was both an Air Force and Navy trainer used from 1950 until the late 1980s. It was built in 3 versions, A, B and C. In 1952 the Navy evaluated the T-28A as a replacement for the North American SNJs, and asked North American to replace the Wright R-1300 with the Wright R-1820. With the bigger engine, the horsepower increased from 800 to 1425 and the propeller was changed to a 3 blade constant speed prop. Sometime in 1961 the U.S. also decided the T-28 would work in a ground attack role. Some B models were modified, and sent to Vietnam. The T-28C was first built in 1955, and was basically a B model that had a tail hook and could be used on aircraft carriers.

Probably more then you wanted to know but it is a neat plane.

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Ikarusina · 01-02-2002, 02:51 PM

Ah-ha� Thanks Jeff�

No, actually, that quite pegs just what I was wondering very nicely.

�Trojan� � I�m not sure I�ve ever heard of before this morning� I may have in passing but it never �meant� anything to me.
T-28, I�m sure I�ve heard of before � and almost certainly in some connection with Nam.

Is it that all service birds used as trainers usually start with the �T� - ? ..or is that, also just another coincidence thought up by my kooky-logic? ;-)

Thanks again for the detailed response Jeff.
Just the right amount and nature of info to satisfy my curiosity entirely�

Best �

Tia

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**jwckmiller** · 01-02-2002, 03:49 PM

Your 'Kooky Logic' is correct! Here are a few other examples of some US a/c designations:
A- Attack
B- Bomber
C- Cargo
E- Special, Electronic
F- Fighter
H- Rotary Wing
O- Observation
P- Patrol
Q- Drone
R- Recon
S- ASW

Navy Squadron designations then follow using these prefixes"
H Rotary
V Fixed Wing
F Fighter
A Atack
C Composite (more then one 'type' a/c.
P Patrol

so a squadron designated VFC-13 would translate to "Fixed Wing Fighter Composite, Thirteen"

There, that is it in a Nutshell!
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Ikarusina · 01-02-2002, 04:52 PM

Ohhh� Yes, I see� That makes perfect sense. Seems I must have known most of those in some �earlier life.� :-roll
Sometimes I feel like I�ve already forgotten more than I�m likely to ever learn again.

Think I knew about the A, B, C, E, F and O before � but quite forgot� The rest, I don�t believe I ever was aware of.

Many thanks for this, too, Jeff� :-)
Sure helps!

Speaking of the �O�s:� Just before I closed my FS2K for the last time � the day before I picked up my FS2K2 � I got a little OV-10 Bronco.
I�d been looking for one for ages it seemed, having really liked that little guy ever since reading � A Lonely Kind of War � a really nice book on FACV (Forward Air Controllers, Vietnam), by Marshall Harrison.

I don�t known if you�ve any interest in that sort of thing � you usually strike me more as the �fighter-jock� sort, which � of course, I hope you don�t find offensive my saying in any way, as I mean it only in the most affectionate and appreciable sense.
But it is a marvelous little book (well, �little:� 285 pgs. in hardback � not a �booklet,� but not a monster-read either).

Anyway � really came to deep appreciation for that little OV-10.
I got one and even loaded it in FS2K2 one time � but it looked� Mmmmm� well � bad.
I would Sooooooo love to have some nice SS�s of an OV-10 though, I�m still planning on taking it up sometime and see what may be possible.

I�m wondering whether you might have any interest in the same?
I can point you to the file I�m pretty sure if you don�t have it as yet � or, best of all, you already have a better one! ;-)
- Or, would even be happy to send it to you or set up a D/L for you if you like.

The thing is � you seem to have the ability to take those �marginally-attractive� birds and squeeze the best shots possible out of �em�
I have some real reservations I�ll ever get anything worth keeping from this one � but I�d wager you might be able to get something from it.

Anyway � sorry for this loosely-parallel tangent: just seeing your allusion to the �O� designation snapped the little OV-10 back into mind real-quick�

Please let me know if you�d be at-all interested in giving that a shot? That would be really neat!
Of course no-worries if you�d as soon pass, too � quite understandable� :-)

Thanks so much again for the accounts given for me in this thread, Jeff� I don�t even want to know all there is to know about any plane � let alone every one of them�
But there are some that pique my curiosity enough to where I just sure would like to know this or that about them.
You hit the nail right on the head re: this nice little T-28.

All the best, as always�

- Tia

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**RichmondAir** · 01-02-2002, 05:51 PM

Great shots!
Not only did you get us some great images, you also supplied us with some aircraft facts - way to go!

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**jwckmiller** · 01-02-2002, 06:39 PM

Thanks John,
I guess I take for granted sometimes that others, especially the younger people don't have the same background.

Like your sig too! Don't 'ya just love the Vargas style girls?

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**RichmondAir** · 01-02-2002, 06:48 PM

I really do enjoy the "Vargas Girls", there are some many great artists out there - it is hard to pick just one!

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**VF2_Rolf** · 01-02-2002, 08:29 PM

I remember having an old Life magazine from I think 1963 that had a great photo section of a reporter's tour with the South Vietnam Airforce. He went up in the Trojans with the ARVN pilots and snapped pix as they went in for bomb runs...now if I can just dig it out of whichever box that it is stored in, I'd scan them...but....you know the story re: old boxes full of magazines. Which one and how deep down?...lol.