EGCC Manchester with 24R/06L take-off 24L/06R landing.

[Col7777]

I'm fairly new at playing around with ai traffic, but I got interested in the topic of getting EGCC Manchester to use 24L/06R for landing only traffic and 24R/06L for departures only.
I did a bit of tweaking and altered the AFCAD for EGCC and managed to do it, I set it up so the departing aircraft can take-off un-restricted by arriving aircraft and arriving aircraft can land and taxi unrestricted by departing aircraft.
I have tested it using 'Ultimate Traffic' set at 100% and watched the ai during busy periods, it seems to be working very well.
I did get the odd go-around but that was mainly because of traffic flow and only using one runway.
The only hold ups if any were the usual ones on the apron where ATC tell aircraft to hold while another aircraft goes past etc.
I sent the AFCAD to 2 other people to test, they both reported back saying it was great and it worked fine.
I did change and add a few links and nodes and deleted a few to make it work but the main thing is it is working well.
The 2 runways are still 24 & 06 and in the same place, all I did was change and add a few links.
Now I've done it I'm not sure what to do with it next, or if anyone wants it.

Advice and comments welcome.

[chrispeel]

I wonder if you have tried it the other way round.i.e.Take offs only from 24L as in real life it is rarely used for landing-it has no ILS for a start.

I have modified my EGCC to land only on 24R and take off on 24L only.It doesn't always work but 90% of the time it does.You have to modify the reciprocal as well I think.

[Col7777]

Chris, please tell me you are joking. I did have it the other way round and working, I was on another forum where some guy said I had it wrong and it should be this way the way I have done it now, GeeZ!
I'm not annoyed at you, I wish I had known that when he posted saying I was wrong.
I had arrivals on 24R/06L and he deffinately said I was wrong, so I got busy and changed it, thanks mate.

Came back to add:

I just read this, it seems no matter which way I did it I was parlty right and partly wrong on both attempts, if I have read it right that is.
http://www.manairport.co.uk/web.nsf/...NearTheAirport

[AC103010]

You were wrong, arrivals are on 24R and 06R, says so in your link.

If you look at the layout of Manchester airport you can see the logic in this. With each combination taxy distances are kept to a minimum. Landing on 06L will increase the taxy distance whilst take=offs on 06R will definitely increase the taxi distance to the hold.

Just my two penneth.


Allan

[chrispeel]

That was a good link you posted there.I've not spotted that before.It certainly sums up the situation pretty well.

I have heard(on airband radio) an airliner landing on 24L one night a month or so ago.Not sure of the reason but its definitely as stated in the link.

Sorry about that but it looks as if you'll have to undo that AFCAD if you want it to be realistic!

[AC103010]

Hey, lemme get this right. He HAD 24R/06L and someone told him to change it. He changed it, so now he's right. That is, if he changed it to 24R and 06R.

So his AFCAD is now correct, correct?


Allan

[chrispeel]

I'm getting confused!

24R is the principal landing runway.It has ILS.

06L and 06R are both used for landing.Depending on whether or not single runway ops in use.Both have an ILS.

24L is rarely if ever used for landing but is used for take offs.No ILS.

06L is used for take offs.

06R is not used for take offs.As the man says its miles from the terminal.

The SIDs are even more confusing and very different between 24L and 24R.

[AC103010]

>>>>> I'm getting confused!

>>>>> 24R is the principal landing runway.It has ILS. - Correct (and it has a great view from the pub)

>>>>> 06L and 06R are both used for landing.Depending on whether or not single runway ops in use.Both have an ILS. - Correct, but during two runway ops 06R is preferred

>>>>> 24L is rarely if ever used for landing but is used for take offs.No ILS. - Correct (And because of the taxi distance)

>>>>> 06L is used for take offs. - Correct

>>>>> 06R is not used for take offs.As the man says its miles from the terminal. - Right

>>>>> The SIDs are even more confusing and very different between 24L and 24R - Have to take your word for that because the copies I have (March 2001) show them pretty much the same.



See, it's not so confusing after all.

The problem with Manchester is that the runways do not run side by side, they are staggered, which means there is a problem with distance. Heathrow, now, is a different story. There are obviously parallel runways but they are much closer together, and Heathrow switches runways regularly for noise abatement. They still use one for landings and one for take-offs - usually.

Now Miami - that's a different thing. I know it's digressing but at Miami they use both for take-off and landings - AT THE SAME TIME. Also, they tend to give landing clearance to the second aircraft on approach - they're just so busy - and I was there one busy saturday and watched two aircraft touching down simultaneously whilst two aircraft were just airborne at the other end. That was something.


Hope this hasn't added to the confusion.


Allan

[chrispeel]

No I'm not really confused.I used to fly out of EGCC!

The 2001 SIDs show a "Conga" departure and a "Honily" off 24L/R.

There is now a "Listo" which goes more or less the same way i.e. South East.

The "Honileys" involve the "Knutsford" shuffle(not documented!)

I like KSFO best in real life.Arrivals on 28L and R combined with take offs from 01 L and R.

[chrispeel]

I forgot to mention that the "Listo" deparures are only available to smaller and quieter aircraft.This SID does not rquire the "Knutsford shuffle"

Otherwise it's the Honileys that are used for SE departures.

The Conga"is no more.Defunct.