carenado bonanza?

[bricktop2982]

I am looking for a decent GA addition to my hangar. Its a toss up between the carenado bananza, which I know nohting about and the dreamfleet archer, which looks really nice. Im torn here cuz i dont have time to fly both of them that much. Im kinda leaning towards the archer since its the first plan i ever flew. Any help?

[ralphgpr]

>I am looking for a decent GA addition to my hangar. Its a
>toss up between the carenado bananza, which I know nohting
>about and the dreamfleet archer, which looks really nice.
>Im torn here cuz i dont have time to fly both of them that
>much. Im kinda leaning towards the archer since its the
>first plan i ever flew. Any help?

First real life then simulation--

The real Bonanza is a sweet airplane, but unless you are a doctor, you probably would not buy one. But you might buy an Archer, and if you did you would probably be happy with it.

Now simulation--
The Carenado Bonanza is nice, but it is not as good a simulation as the Dreamfleet Archer, which is very realistic IMHO.

So unless you are deeply in love with the Bonanza (and I don't blame you) I would advise getting the Dreamfleet Archer. I know one thing for sure: You will like it.

Ralph

[zfehr]

Why would only a doctor buy a Bonanza?

Zane

[ralphgpr]

>Why would only a doctor buy a Bonanza?
>
>Zane

Zane, for a long time now I've had the feeling that any question should be answered, and to leave one hanging is a discourtesy. In this case I had hoped somebody else would jump in and get me out of this, but it looks like I'm on my own.

Why do doctors like the Bonanza--or why did doctors like the Bonanza? Well, Zane, I had some doctors for students, and see, there is an answer to your question, and I know the answer, but I just got to think it over and see if I can put in words that won't cause offense. Boy, I'm sweating now. Let's say to begin with if I was a doctor I too would probably own a Bonanza and a Cadillac--but that's no answer.

Please give me a bit more time and I'll work it out. I do believe a question should be answered.

By the way this has nothing to do with the Bonanza--it's a fine airplane. I got much good time in it. That's not my problem.

I'll get with you later.

Sincerely,

Ralph

[ralphgpr]

Dear Zane:

I still haven't come up with a suitable answer for publication, but I went and had a smoke and remembered something that might interest you.

A great man who after he made about 300 million dollars and had some free time went and bought a Bonanza. He nearly killed himself in it. He was injured, and I hope he is completely recovered. It was not the Bonanza's fault. This plane is soft and easy handling and built well. I refer to Steve Wozniak--he gave us the Apple, you know.

That's not the answer to your question, but it might give you something for a while.

I'll work on it. Maybe I need a drink.

See you later,

Ralph

[habsfan100]

Maybe I can answer this question?
Many of the higher class (ex. doctors) like to take up expensive hobbies. Flying is an expensive hobby as most of you must know. Of course, doctors want top of the line stuff, cadillacs, mansions, and good planes - i.e., A bonanza

As for the original question, Archer.

[Sonnyboy1]

I have in my library the Carenado Bonanza F35b, F33M, and also the Dreamfleet PA28-181 Archer II, and am well-pleased with all three. Having logged many hours in the real-world PA28, (140, 180, 181, Arrow) I know the Archer II sim is very realistic as to handling, sound, appearance, etc. (as close as a sim can be, I guess) and I am very pleased. The Archer II has the edge in cockpit looks, functionality, goodies, etc. IMO... Having no logged time in the other two, I can't say about the real-world AC's, and in the sim, they handle, look, and sound great, and either is a great choice if you want to go somewhere a little faster and "in style". They both have about the same cockpit.
I know a heart surgeon who has an F33, and a GP doctor who has an Archer II. The heart surgeon has his IFR ticket, and the GP is working close to his IFR FAA check. Both are pleased with their AC choices.
So... as far as quality, and the other attributes described above, you can't go wrong with either one.
Sonny

[Arthurq]

I just can't leave this one alone. Years ago, when I had a job flying cancelled bank checks at night in the ArkLaTex area, I logged many hours in both V-tail and straight tail Bonanzas.

I will always have a soft spot for Bonanzas, especially the sweet V-tail model. It flew so sweetly and landed so nicely. I thought I was in heaven flying those Bonanzas having come from a couple of years of flight instructing in Cherokees and Arrows.

But--the V-tail Bonanza was commonly called "The Doctor Killer" due to the "legend/fact/who knows if its true" stories and incidents where a doctor would lose control of the Bonanza in heavy turbulence associated with convective weather and would find himself pulling back on the stick to regain control--and due to a design weakness--find himself without a tail! Due to these incidents-Beech-I believe came out with an AD or Service Bulletin (Airworthiness Directive -like a mandatory recall on a car) that strengthened the V-tail's and I haven't heard of anybody loosing their tail in a V-tail Bonanza for years.

You would notice that the Bonanza cruised right up at the yellow arc on the airspeed indicator. And if you were just slightly inattentive , especially in a descent, you could easily find yourself up towards the red line. Throw in some bad turbulence--and the tendency of the V-tail to fishtail in turbulence--and an inexperienced but wealthy pilot at the controls--and it can be a recipe for an overstress of the tail and some fatalities.

A V-tail Bonanza teaches a pilot how to dampen the yaw in an airplane since they don't come with a yaw damper. If you fly passengers a lot you really need to pay attention to the yawing and fishtailing and attempt to dampen it out as much as possible or the passengers might not be feeling too well for long.

I really like Carenado's Bonanza--but--I also purchased Dreamfleet's C310--and have found Dreamfleet's to be of higher quality. I don't have the Archer yet though.

When flying Carenado's Bonanza in FS2002 (its not compatible with FS2004 -sigh)--they've done a good enough job on it for me to feel like I'm back in N664T--flying those late night check runs around Houston again. Well worth the $15 for me. Wish it was compatible in FS2004 though. Especially the V-tail one--as I understand Carenado is going to do an F33 version (straight tail) for FS2004 according to their website.

AQ

[zfehr]

Good story Ralph, didn't know that about Steve. I'm curious if there are any actual statistics that more doctor pilots have been involved in accidents that non-doctor pilots (I've read a rebuttal recently written by the Flying Physician's Association regarding this "reputation" that would state otherwise).

We'll talk later,

Zane