Landing the 777 on Full Fuel Load

[pdmike]

I just DUSTED a 777 landing at ONT. I had been having a lot of trouble with the 777 falling short of the runway threshold and flying into the ground. Thanks to a little help from my friends, I have learned how to land this big beauty. If anyone else is having trouble bringing the 777 in, here are a few tips:

We are talking ILS/Glide Slope landings here, of course. About 10 miles out, set speed at 184 kts with flaps at 25 degrees. Notice that, if you do that, your attitude is very good; nose is close to level.

Keep that configuration until you start down the glide slope.
As you start down the glide slope, reduce speed to 175 kts and go to full flaps. Hold that configuration until you are about 200 to 300 feet above ground level (AGL). When you reach that point, disengage everything - autopilot, APR and autothrottle.
Then fly it down yourself.

Here is the important thing to note. This landing was made with full fuel tanks. With the 777 (and other planes as well, but the 777 seems especially sensitive on this point), amount of fuel is very important in landing. The book says your landing speed should be 157 kts. What the book does not tell you is that if you try to land on ILS/autopilot, at 157 kts, with a full fuel load, in the 777, you will never make it to the runway threshold - the plane will fly right into the ground short of the runway.

You can afford this luxury (157 kts landing speed) if you are running low fuel capacity (and, hence, lower overall weight) but NOT if you are full. If you are full, you have to come in at higher speed. Simple as that.

Hope this helps someone - it sure as heck helped me!

pdmike

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APPLAUSE! Way to go man :o)

[TCLeics]

Used to have the same problem Mike, we can thank Mr S**** E****S for the advice given!!

Tony Clarke

U.K

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>we can thank Mr S**** E****S for the advice given!!

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[puma]

True, but let me tell you that most big planes are not capable of landing with full fuel load without causing extreme stress on gear, that is why they usually dump fuel if an emergency occurs after take off and they are fully loaded. In other words, if a 777 has to land at 175 knots fully loaded it is because there was no other alternative as it is a very risky thing to do.

[Buchek]

>...Then fly it down yourself....<

and don't forget to extend the landing gear, otherwise the touch down becomes really noisy...

:-)
Cheers,
Hank

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[rhodges]

Way to go puma!
I started to, but then backed out. I wondered if anybody was ever going to mention maximum landing weights for the big birds. I show 524,000 pounds for the -300 which I thought I got from the Boeing sight on my spreadsheet which I made for weights some time ago, but I cannot find the site which gave the weights now. Show 500,000 pounds for the -200 which I imagine was interprelated. Been too long now to remember my sources for what is credible and what is estimated. Best I remember there are several sites which tabulate the weights for many aircraft.

Thanks for the reality!
RTH

>True, but let me tell you
>that most big planes are
>not capable of landing with
>full fuel load without causing
>extreme stress on gear, that
>is why they usually dump
>fuel if an emergency occurs
>after take off and they
>are fully loaded. In other
>words, if a 777 has
>to land at 175 knots
>fully loaded it is because
>there was no other alternative
>as it is a very
>risky thing to do.

[perkeo]

>>If you are full, you have to come in at higher speed.
Simple as that.<<
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Thanks for telling us the totally obvious.

Min landing fuel for a 777 at my company is about 14.2 (14,200lbs). The 777-200 lands at a max of 460.0, with a Max takeoff weight of 640.0, and empty weight of 332.9. So with say, 80.0 of payload (80,000lbs), 332.9 + 80= 412.9. This leaves a MAX of 47.1 for fuel. Use these numbers to calculate your MOI and payload in FS edit, makes for a better flying airplane. I always fly with 80.0 of payload on my MelJet 777-200.

[coolian2]

I've greased the 777 on full fuel often. Manually. Automated approaches suck! :)

- Ian
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