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    G'day, I have FSX Deluxe model, enhanced with FTX Australia, I also have X plane 9.
    I have tried to install Xplane but have trouble when I try to install the world apparently my no 3 disc is not recognised, looking quickly at the default for Sydney I was very disappointed to see that there was not even a resemblance of Sydney.
    No opera house, no harbour bridge, not even a decent looking city scape, if any city scape at all.
    FSX default Sydney at least resembles Sydney with a bridge and opera house and buildings, I don't know if I have loaded X plane properly or if I have the settings too low, but What I want to know is if I outlay the money fro X PLANE 10 will it equal FSX with FTX etc or will I need to buy heaps of extras to get a decent experience?
    I have seen the video of what X plane 10 offers out of the box but am curious to know how different it is from X plane 9, is there any archival videos of what x plane 9 should look like?

    I am not asking for what is best or which I should use as I know this could start WW3 , I just see such a huge difference between my x plane 9 and what is advertised for x plane 10?
    Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    X-Plane is one of those simulators which you either love or hate. It's a bit like a car with sentimental value. It keeps breaking down and being fixed, but your love for it never really fades. Can it look like FSX? It's a difficult question to answer because the answer is both yes and no. There are times when you are in X-Plane and you think...geez man this is like FS2000, and then there are other times which make you thing...dang...FSX could never look like this.

    FSX has the luxury of many quality add-ons which make the 7 year old graphic engine look pretty impressive at times. X-Plane doesn't have that luxury at the moment; mainly because (in my opinion) X-Plane is in a constant state of flux. A designer could create an add-on in one version of X-Plane which works, only to find that in the next X-Plane version it doesn't.

    Add-ons like Orbx and A2A are amazing products and if I'm honest, and as much as I like X-Plane; you won't find those kind of add-ons (yet) in X-Plane. Nearest we have is TruScenery; which whilst good, only covers airports in Finland and also Inside Passage and Final Frontier by Tom Curtis which are wonderful add-ons; but which are getting a bit long in the tooth now.

    Finally, one thing I must point out are the system requirements for X-Plane 10. They are MUCH higher than X-Plane 9, and all those lovely screenshots and videos you've seen at X-Plane.com are when it's maxed out; so be careful.

    At the end of the day, try the demo and see for yourself. Also remember that X-Plane is a work in progress; meaning there are good things yet to come and maybe some bad things too, LOL.

    Cheers

    Dom

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    If you can't read just disc #3, it's in all probability a bad disc. These happen occasionally. They are double layer DVDs, which are fussier than normal DVDs. As long as you bought the kit halfway recently, whoever you bought it from should be willing to replace it. On the other hand, if you're having trouble with multiple DVDs, the problem may be a marginal DVD reader.

    As regards the scenery... All of X-Plane's global scenery is mechanically generated from publicly available data, like the SRTM elevation data, US government land use data, and Open Street Map (OSM) for roads and water bodies. The buildings are selected from a library of generic buildings to look something like the buildings one might expect to find in the area. To get cities to look right, you need to set object density to maximum. The result of X-Plane 10's "plausible scenery" model is that areas without buildings look (more or less) like real life areas without buildings - i.e. grass, not flat surface images of building tops.

    There are no landmarks in the X-Plane global scenery. Landmarks are by nature unique and time consuming to create - creating a single building takes many hours of work. X-Plane is produced by a small engineering team. MSFS had a small army of artists that produced unique scenery for selected cities. X-Plane, with its much smaller sales volume, can't afford them and depends on its user community to produce custom scenery with landmarks.

    X-Plane's airport database includes detailed taxiways for many airports, all contributed by users. There are no buildings, however. (The detailed buildings at KSEA are a custom scenery package.) Mechanically placing generic buildings at airports is a much harder problem than placing them along streets, and the results are likely to be unsatisfying. The scenery library in the download manager at X-Plane.org has a large collection of custom airports, most of them free. As of 10.20, X-Plane includes a library of airport buildings that can be included in user created airport packages. Airport packages that use only the built in buildings library are expected to be distributed in future X-Plane versions.

    Since you're particularly interested in Australia... There are several excellent custom scenery packages available at X-Plane.org for Australia, all of them free. As I recall, they do include landmarks for Sydney, as well as other cities.

    As Dom ways, X-Plane 10's hardware requirements are considerably higher than X-Plane 9. Mostly, this concerns the video card. To get the most out of XP10, you want to pick a video card from the upper area of the PassMark rankings. On the other hand, XP10 has a broad range of rendering options. The ones that load the video card the most have to do with lighting, haze, and cloud effects. If you keep a lid on those X-Plane 10 can run quite decently with lesser hardware.

    - Andy

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    Peter; if you're looking for some great Australian scenery for X-Plane, then this site is fantastic:

    http://www.bnasroberts.net/XPScenery...Australia.html

    It's based on the VOZ scenery package which was the forerunner to Orbx Australia.

    Dom

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    Hello poiderh,
    I can answer this question to the best of my ability, I am a former X-Plane 9 user, and still own the disks so if I have a relapse for it again. But back on topic yes, X-Plane is good in its own aspects, as the same goes for FSX. X-Plane has a realistic aircraft model, meaning that the aircraft will behave like the actually aircraft if modeled correctly. X-plane is definintely worth the money if you have the time and money to make it truly enjoyable.
    Cheers,
    Squatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by poiderh View Post
    What I want to know is if I outlay the money fro X PLANE 10 will it equal FSX with FTX etc or will I need to buy heaps of extras to get a decent experience?
    Nope and the biggest problem is there are no scenery packages on the order of FTX, mainly because they use custom code to go even beyond FSX own capabilities.

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    Hi Peter,

    You'll find quite a few scenery packages here; plus more are coming. Actually; a whole lot more are going to be included as default with X-Plane in the near future thanks to the wonderful WED software.

    If you want to add more scenery here are some links which might help you.


    Scenery

    http://www.truscenery.com

    http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/wi...port-p-87.html

    http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/en...oahu-p-67.html

    http://www.scenery4xp.com/canadian_rockies/Home.html

    http://www.scenery4xp.com/InsidePassage/Home.html

    http://simheaven.com

    Aircraft:

    http://www.fspilotshop.com/carenado-..._id=99&sort=2a

    http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/douglas-p-84.html

    http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/jetstream-p-92.html

    Videos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbBCB6NLXA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_VPfoCjXI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUfa7iEZX6c

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDPp91omqTw

    Make your own mind up mate. Explore, download and enjoy. You'll find that there is quite a bit out there

    Enjoy

    Dom
    Last edited by DominicS; 06-19-2013 at 06:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskancrab View Post
    Nope and the biggest problem is there are no scenery packages on the order of FTX, mainly because they use custom code to go even beyond FSX own capabilities.
    I think you'll find that TruScenery airport packages for one, are as good as some of the local airport packages offered by FTX (Orbx).

    I own both Orbx and Truscenery packages and will happily post screenshots of the two (maxed out) if need be

    Maybe you have trouble using X-Plane custom scenery with HDR lighting Alaskancrab; but I can assure you that with HDR enabled and with X-Plane's default scenery shadows (which actually move, unlike the static FSX shadows).....they can easily match some Orbx packages.

    As far as regional packages are concerned; X-Plane doesn't have to try as hard as the default scenery is pretty good in places:

    http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showth...fault-Scotland

    Could you please show me default Scotland in FSX Alaskancrab?

    Did I mention the free OSM scenery as well?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ZC94HCtcg

    Cheers

    Dom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightman74 View Post
    I think you'll find that TruScenery airport packages for one, are as good as some of the local airport packages offered by FTX (Orbx).

    I own both Orbx and Truscenery packages and will happily post screenshots of the two (maxed out) if need be

    Maybe you have trouble using X-Plane custom scenery with HDR lighting Alaskancrab; but I can assure you that with HDR enabled and with X-Plane's default scenery shadows (which actually move, unlike the static FSX shadows).....they can easily match some Orbx packages.

    As far as regional packages are concerned; X-Plane doesn't have to try as hard as the default scenery is pretty good in places:

    http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showth...fault-Scotland

    Could you please show me default Scotland in FSX Alaskancrab?

    Did I mention the free OSM scenery as well?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ZC94HCtcg

    Cheers

    Dom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightman74 View Post
    I think you'll find that TruScenery airport packages for one, are as good as some of the local airport packages offered by FTX (Orbx).
    Ok so where's the Australian TruScenery? seems to be 3 airports in Europe done at below FS9 quality. And now you are asking for scenery of Scotland? Are you trying to get into a flame war or actually trying to answer the OPs question?

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