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[wainer]

I wouldn't be surprised if an OC'd processor with a proper aftermarket cooler would run better, safer, AND longer than an unclocked box-cooled one. And don't say moving from 3 GHz to 5 GHz won't improve FSX performance. If there is any game in the world that requires OC it's FSX due to its limits in multi-core use and requirements in clock frequencies.

[CessnaFlyer]

ok. your welcome

[gizmosells]

Overclocking, tried it and backed off for a little bit so I can learn more about how to do it correctly. Also, figure the best thing is accept medium settings with FSX as it still way better than fs2004 at high settings visually. Overclocking no different than tweaking car engines to me just knowing what your doing are a lot of websites and people that give bad information about overclocking. Would put money into good CPU and Mobo before a graphics card with FSX and use Overclocking where low frame rates will occur on flying. Look for benchmarks with hard data regarding overclocking.

[abrussell]

Cessna
My personal experience re overclocking:
Started with a Q6600 overclocked to 3.0Ghz. Big improvement!
New computer 2500k overclocked to 4.5Ghz. Huge improvement! Temperatures below 60C. Nothing melting or burning up.
As far as I can tell you have no personal experience with overclocking, so why keep preaching about the evils of overclocking?
Bruce

[CessnaFlyer]

im not preaching about any thing. im just shareing information. it just don't seem right to me to over clock your machine for a 50 dollar video game thats all. i can not see the sence to takeing an 800 dollar machine and putting more stress on it for a game i will not work at more then medium settings. it has been said on this forum many times. we keep going over the same topics on this. there is no pc on the market that will run fsx. but pepole try to make there pc's run the thing any way. and from where i sit it's not worth the hassle. because you have to spend more money for bigger fans. and pulling more power though the cpu for a game that only works on medium. if it will not work why much with it? do a google on dangers of over clocking. i said this befor that it shortens the life span of pc parts. and when i re read the first post there are already signs of it when he said the system crashed on him.

[loki]

i can not see the sence to takeing an 800 dollar machine and putting more stress on it for a game i will not work at more then medium settings.

People do it because it does work and you can run the sim at more the medium settings. To do so, you need a fast machine, and overclocking allows those that want to to push their machine a little further. Intel specifically sells their "K" series unlocked for overclockers to play with. AMD does the same with their Black series.

there is no pc on the market that will run fsx.

This is because FSX, and FS2004 before it, were designed around single core CPUs getting faster. At the time FSX development started, Intel was talking about 5-10GHz CPUs. However, reality soon caught up, and they had to switch to increasing processing power through adding more cores. This change has hamstrung FSX ever since, but overclocking helps get CPUs into the 4GHz+ world FSX was designed for.

because you have to spend more money for bigger fans.

Most mid to high end cases come with decent 120mm fans, and if you need more, they can often be had for $20 or less per fan. This is not a big expense.

and pulling more power though the cpu for a game that only works on medium.

It only runs on medium on mid-range machines that aren't overclocked.

do a google on dangers of over clocking.

Yes, there is some risk, but if done properly, the risk is very low. Thousands of people overclock their machines, and many companies like Cyberpower sell and support factory overclocked machines every day.

and when i re read the first post there are already signs of it when he said the system crashed on him.

That just means the overclock needs to be adjusted. Some CPUs and systems can be pushed further than others.

Another way to look at it is that overclocking is much the same as tinkering and modding cars, which people have been doing for many decades. Some people like to see how fast a machine can really run.

[CessnaFlyer]

i suppose. i guess im differrent then every one else. i have always been happy with what i have. i never oc my machines. because it's more work for the computer and for me. and more expense. oh well i guess the people that have the money to buy a new pc every year are happyer. my desktop has been with me for almost 2 months now and im happy with it. im not going to over clock it. because i spent to much money on it for it not to last very long. not for a simulator any way.

[loki]

oh well i guess the people that have the money to buy a new pc every year are happyer.

because i spent to much money on it for it not to last very long.

Once again, if done properly, overclocking won't shorten a computers life at all. Some people have computers that have been running smoothly for years while having been overclocked.

Overclocking today is a far cry from what it was many years ago. It certainly used to be the realm of the black arts, and was only for the truly adventurous. Today many motherboards have a button right on them that will do the overclock for you. Others come with Windows programs to automatically overclock the motherboard. Combined with the built in thermal and voltage protections, the risk of damage or a shortened life are low for those that want to do it.

[CessnaFlyer]

oh ok. i how do you over clock the cpu any ways?

[fxsttcb]

oh ok. i how do you over clock the cpu any ways?

Specifically, that would depend on the CPU and motherboard.
Generally, you will either increase the base clock and/or the clock multiplier in small increments until you get an error during testing.
Then you either back off a little, or increase the voltages, and retest. Pass? Either be satisfied or increase Bclk/Mult some more.
Rinse-Repeat the above until you hit your goal, hit the unsafe voltage limit, it runs too hot, or is unstable regardless of tweaking.
Quite general, but, that is basically how it's done.

Google is enormous when it comes to finding out about quirks/tweaks for specific combos. Google "CPU#, Mobo#, overclock(ing)"...Don