Lets stop bashing something we all want

[Paxx]

Lets lighten up guys. Flight's flaws with version 1.0 are being recalculated. The community has spoken, and with the MS expected newbs being absent, they have listened. Now we are experiencing what is called a reprieve while they collectively realign reality with certain corporate goals. It's pretty obvious they need us more than we need them. While it is sad that such partnerships (the 29 year legacy/MS) have digressed upon an unwanted tangent, they'll learn, they'll adapt and provide. They have too. It is after all, the only way they can get some cash out of us and the new market. It is really that simple.

We, with the privilege of having FSX/FS9, and the wisdom that comes from familiarity with the old, have very little to fear from the present lack of leadership that has failed the Flight Team. Microsoft support can yell "that title is no longer supported" all they want, wizened Flightsim.com members will provide what Microsoft lacks for those interested in freedom (FSX support). Plenty of "content" is still being provided by the 3rd party devs for the old titles, I seriously doubt in the long run Microsoft will be foolish enough to ignore the basic reason we all have enjoyed an almost 30 year ride/flight. I say we because without us, Bruce Artwick's vision of fun in the sky would never have happened (no disrespect to Bruce implied). Bruce launched an enduring niche that a present corporate board room has trouble dealing with because his vision was all about freedom. A very American construct that will continue to prove Bruce's vision correct. Our attitude will not change, sim aviators demand we respect ourselves and others in the context of that freedom. Welcoming newbs, when they show up, is all part of that brotherhood. Appreciating a slapped together "something new" - not so much.

They'll get it right because, once again, they have to in order to be successful, and at this point for the Microsoft Flight Team failure is not an option.

Personally I'm looking forward to version 2. I expect it soon. For their sake, and ours.

[Nels_Anderson]

Flight's flaws with version 1.0 are being recalculated.

Has Microsoft announced some change in policy related to Flight? If so, where was this announced?

[Paxx]

Supposition and a few PMs/emails on my part, nothing more.

[azzaro]

OK, one final attempt at quelling the rebellion, then I'll just shut up and enjoy myself. Let the ravening hoards do their worst!

I have used Flight for 15 hours now, bought all the addons (except the P-51) and tried out most of its aspects, from the gameier portions to full unassisted, uncluttered simulaton. I have to say my appreciation for this simulator grows by the minute. It is proving to be a solid, well conceived, and exremely immersive experience. Of course, there is room for improvement, and it will never be everything everyone wants (what is?), but what I see so far is a massive jump in realism, as far as the basics of simulation go. It feels far more real. (yes, I am a RW pilot) The mesh stays put, objects are solid, collision areas conform to the visual model, the physics have much more subtlety. Textures conform to the mesh infinitely better then FSX default. Roads and rivers do not run randomly over landscape. No floating houses and buildings sticking out of hillsides. The basic sim is sound and well designed. Like FSX and FS9 before that, it will continue to grow and improve. For the price of a single ORBX airport (on sale) I have the entire state of Hawaii at a level of realism and detail previously unavailable, (no, photoscenery doesn't count, it only looks real from 10,000ft) four very well modeled aircraft, with multiple paints, and many hours of missions, challenges and goals to keep me interested and exploring. And, even better! I still have FSX, with all it's add-ons and improvements, to enjoy for years to come! So, what's not to like! For any of you who haven't given Flight a fair shake — try it! With an open mind. You've nothing to loose but your preconceptions. — Bob

[aircav1970]

Personally,I find it to be much the same on all the forums I visit including other game forums that I peruse.There always seems to be that "this one is better than the new one" mentality on everything. I play games from Bethesda called The Elder Scrolls,I started playing Oblivion before Skyrim came out and it was the same over there, one clique perfered Morrowind,one was sure that Oblivion was better,the Oblivion guys were sure that Oblivion was better than Skyrim and so on....same with the Sony forums dealing with Gran Turismo vs M$'s Forza....now here we are.... FSX is better...no Flight is better......I say you can enjoy them all, each is different and have their pros and cons. Keep flying whatever makes you smile and just enjoy the fact that we keep on getting new things to keep us interested.Life is too short to worry about trivial stuff like "mine's better than your's"

[torkermax]

"getting new things"

Should this not say "selling new things" ?

[mgh]

Supposition and a few PMs/emails on my part, nothing more.

Wishful thinking then?

[alaskancrab]

I think the freedom aspect is relative.. depends where you are coming from. As a GTA fan I like the freedom to be able to get out of an aircraft and walk around the hangers, see the reflection in the glass. As an FS fan certainly hawaii is like being a whale in a swimming pool.

Technically, folks should know that FSX was never meant for the "connected" world of the internet. And I feel if we've lost the freedom to create it's important to realize there is no model in the connected arena that doesn't have a firewall between the user and the application. Losing that "homebrew" aspect is a big lost. And there are people even with the Xbox who can't believe that MS would sell them essentially a computer but never give you the password to login. So some comprimise has to be reached, as sometimes the homebrew crowd is the last bunch of folks you want to deal with. You see it from day one people jumping to decompile the .pak. At some point the novelty of buying an aircraft instantly is going to wear off and they'll need to open up.

[ScatterbrainKid]

I'm an FSX player and haven't got Flight.
What's the design philosophy behind Flight?
I mean, why did they bring it out? What does it offer that other sims don't? Shall i buy it?

[loki]

Shall i buy it?

It's free, so you can download it and try it out.